Christa Pikes is awake and ‘talking’

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She’s out of the coma and talking to her lawyers. Aibu to think the state of Tennessee can’t possibly try to do the lethal injection again ? Surely not? People on Reddit are suggesting she might need an amputation of one of her arms because of how caustic pentobarbital is.

Christa Pike 'conscious and speaking at hospital' after failed execution in US
https://news.sky.com/share/13595950

A peaceful conscience for whom? I’d rather see that money go into treating cancer patients for example.

Might make people think before they act, it’s like when your a child you know if you back chat and are rude to your parents knowing the rules and the consequences off this action you think no actually I won’t back chat and be rude because I don’t want to be grounded, have phone taken away etc etc. it could actually reduce crime. Like random stabbing, might make people think actually I won’t carry a weapon because if I kill someone I will be put to death.

I’ve already quoted you. I’ve not said excused as in completely ffs 🤦🏼‍♀️

How quickly do you think it should happen?

We can't see the post you're quoting, but I'm prepared to bet it didn't claim that it justified this.

You seem unable to understand the difference between something that excuses and something that is a valid mitigating factor. It might help if you think about that.

I am sorry you hold your conscience so cheap.

Do you think?

have you checked the statistics that show states with the death penalty have higher homicide rates than those without?

clearly the death penalty does not deter murderers from doing so.

again, you’re applying your own thought process. Those who kill rarely think of the consequences.

Most of us who don’t kill other people don’t do so out of fear of punishment, but because we inherently couldn’t take a life or inflict harm on another being.

I saw a US person on TikTok recently confused how atheists don’t commit crimes because if there’s no heaven/hell what’s stopping you just doing what you want? Ummm because we’re decent people that cares for society?

Ok.

A bad childhood does not excuse a brutal nonsensical murder

Oh you are so close!!

christa never leaned this as a child. All those points you make where children are taught to function in society, and not do things, she was never taught.

maybe if she’d had a decent childhood she would have known that killing someone might land her in prison, and that hurting each other is not normal behaviour…

Nobody is saying it does.

it should be a mitigating factor in sentencing though. That’s the law.

Have a look at the crime rate in the US vs. Norway, and then tell me whether the death penalty is effective as a deterrent. While you're looking things up, look at the murder per capita rate for New Hampshire (no DP) vs. Tennessee and explain how the DP has benefited Tennessee.

The poster you are responding to said that her crimes did not give anyone a free pass to kill and torture her. You commented that she knew what would happen. Yet you have admitted that she didn't know she would be tortured.

QED.

You’re saying statistics but who knows if they are made up or not deliberately fiddled with so people side one way and one way only.

The people who make those posts don't realise that what they are actually doing is betraying their own lack of humanity. They think the only thing that prevents people from doing terrible things is fear of punishment.

Judging from the previous data I’ve copied and pasted, I’d say the 80s had it about right in terms of timescales. If they went back to firing squad it’s even cheaper still and much more reliable.

I think it’s relevant to add the death penalty should be reserved for the most extreme crimes, where there is no doubt of guilt.

You’ll have to elaborate.

Oh yes!! I forgot that one.

Everyone in the world who has had a decent childhood hasn’t become a murderer. So you’re saying now that all murderers, child abusers, Peadophiles and rapists all had bad childhoods? That this is the only reason for them becoming who they are.

Possibly an element of projection going on ?

Then Stefan Kiszko and the Birmingham 6- all totally innocent- would have been executed.

So the collateral damage of innocent people is worth the monetary savings for you?

those 200 people exonerated from death row, would probably be dead before they got a chance to clear themselves.

but that’s ok if you save some cash?

How does the death penalty cost more than life in prison?

Bringing up cases from the 70s when forensics were shit and applying that to modern day isn’t relevant. I’ve previously explained that I believe the death penalty should be used in very specific cases.

I commented saying that everyone knows what happens when you murder someone, they do whether they have trauma, horrific childhoods or not. You cannot just murder someone without consequences. 100% at some point in her life she would have heard of people being imprisoned or put on death row for murder. There is no way that she never ever knew that killing someone was ok. Come on.

Oh ffs.

again, nobody is excusing the fact that she killed someone. It is not a justification for murder.

her childhood is a mitigating factor against the death penalty. You’ve just agreed a more appropriate sentence was life in a secure psychiatric facility for the mentally unwell!

she should not have got the death penalty if her childhood meant she could not understand her actions or the consequences. It does not mean she should not be locked up away from society.