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To question whether northerners are actually poorer than southerners ?

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Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 10:02

As we know a lot of northerners seem to think all southerners are living like the Russian Romanov family pre murder and funds from the south should be directed up north because they are apparently so much poorer than us.

But is this even true? If you can buy a family home up there for 100k or less and the same size home costs 300-400k on average in the south. You already have a lot more disposable income. I know they say they get paid less, but Tesco (for example) pays the same every where and has branches everywhere. I know they also say there’s no good jobs there but where there’s people there’s schools and hospitals so you want us to believe there’s no teachers and doctors?

I know someone will say “move there then” personally I won’t be moving anywhere anytime soon as I started my family young (first born a few months after GCSEs) and my kids are all really settled in school and with friends.
Based on what I’ve heard from northerners they are more welcoming to people from countries on the other side of the planet than they are their fellow countrymen from 100 miles to the south.

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takealettermsjones · 05/10/2026 11:40

Timeforachange26 · 05/10/2026 11:26

Many southerners do work at Tesco or in other minimum wage jobs though. Even in London

I didn't say otherwise.

MyFriendNorman · 05/10/2026 11:40

I spent my teen years in Sussex. There was most definitely a sense of horror about "The North" - all those coal miners on strike, and grit and grime. The few people who had Northern accents had the Mickey taken relentlessly with "whippets, flat caps, pigeons" type of speech. I think we imagined the whole North as coronation street or Kes.

Having lived in the North for 35 years I don't perceive most Northerners thinking about Southerners much at all.

Your house prices are way off though. In my area, a 3 bed semi is 650k, and you'd be hard pressed to buy a 3 bed semi anywhere in Manchester (even the really rough bits) for under 200k.

A lot of it is about opportunity. A cursory search brought up 16 film industry internships in London. I then looked at film industry internships in Liverpool, Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield and Newcastle. There was 1 in total (in Leeds). Computing internships -17 in London, 2 in Manchester. That's inequality.

I want my kids to be able to work in the careers they wish, in their home area, and not have to move down to the South East for opportunities.

SeedsOfReason · 05/10/2026 11:40

Timeforachange26 · 05/10/2026 11:37

But outside of London the public transport can be pretty bloody dire alao

I don't doubt it, and I know there are deprived towns in the south as well, it's just that there are more of them in the north - vast swathes of northern England rather than pockets of deprivation in the south.

Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 11:40

takealettermsjones · 05/10/2026 11:39

Yes and I'm sure you can in parts of London as well, but it doesn't make it useful to extrapolate that to cover half of the entire country.

Link us to one on rightmove

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takealettermsjones · 05/10/2026 11:40

Pedallleur · 05/10/2026 11:26

We have Booths as well. But when we say Northern are we including Scotland?

I don't know tbh, I assumed OP was talking about England 🤷🏻‍♀️

x2boys · 05/10/2026 11:41

Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 10:02

As we know a lot of northerners seem to think all southerners are living like the Russian Romanov family pre murder and funds from the south should be directed up north because they are apparently so much poorer than us.

But is this even true? If you can buy a family home up there for 100k or less and the same size home costs 300-400k on average in the south. You already have a lot more disposable income. I know they say they get paid less, but Tesco (for example) pays the same every where and has branches everywhere. I know they also say there’s no good jobs there but where there’s people there’s schools and hospitals so you want us to believe there’s no teachers and doctors?

I know someone will say “move there then” personally I won’t be moving anywhere anytime soon as I started my family young (first born a few months after GCSEs) and my kids are all really settled in school and with friends.
Based on what I’ve heard from northerners they are more welcoming to people from countries on the other side of the planet than they are their fellow countrymen from 100 miles to the south.

The North is a big place
But i would love to know where you csnnbuy a family home for less yhan £100 000?

Foolish1984 · 05/10/2026 11:41

You’ve clearly never visited Harrogate in North Yorkshire or Ilkley & Collingham in West Yorkshire! Very, very wealthy northern towns.

Timeforachange26 · 05/10/2026 11:42

cuckoolodger · 05/10/2026 11:34

You can get a two bed house in certain parts of west Lancashire for less than £100k .

There's a big difference in house prices though. If you talking about Sheffield for example there's houses at £180 whereas Brentwood is more like £650 for similar

To question whether northerners are actually poorer than southerners ?
To question whether northerners are actually poorer than southerners ?
OctoberMists · 05/10/2026 11:42

I’ve honestly never heard a single southerner say anything snobby or nasty about northerners.

When I went to a northen uni I heard a lot of southeren say terrible things about Northeners - and vie versa and they all insisted midlands didn't exist or was part of other fraction [shrug].

It's a much more complex situation than north vs south. There are rich areas in the north - with high paying jobs - and there are areas of extrem poverty in the south.

Public transport outside London is a massive issue though one many areas are finally addressing.

When we've job hunted we've had to factor in if we could actaully afford to buy a big enough house - that ruled out many parts of the south and even bits of north and even in other regions we had to compromise - that will only have got worse since we last looked.

I do think many young people are looking at housing costs and think SE/London just may not be worth it any more. I think south is richer as they have housing wealth - but lower incomes give more disposible income in cheaper housing areas if you do get a well paid job in them. I knew people 20 years ago who looked at that and moved to northen cities from south and London.

scoopsahoooy · 05/10/2026 11:43

Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 10:29

I’ve honestly never heard a single southerner say anything snobby or nasty about northerners. I have heard a lot of the opposite though “stuck up posh southerners looking down on us”

And as a Northerner from a working class background working in a London-centric professional industry, I hear it aaaaaaaaaaaaaall the time. Jokes about outside toilets like it's fucking 1960, jokes about my accent, "ee you're back off Oop North to see your whippet and get your flat cap", assumptions that because I come from a traditionally deprived area that I'll be stupid/less educated/have certain political views. Comments about how they could never imagine bringing their children up in towns like mine. Comments about how the house prices aren't really bargain because who'd want to live there. It's actually genuinely quite shocking how pervasive it is.

Timeforachange26 · 05/10/2026 11:43

SeedsOfReason · 05/10/2026 11:40

I don't doubt it, and I know there are deprived towns in the south as well, it's just that there are more of them in the north - vast swathes of northern England rather than pockets of deprivation in the south.

I live in a pretty affluent town in the South East. Yet buses can be pretty patchy.

takealettermsjones · 05/10/2026 11:44

Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 11:40

Link us to one on rightmove

No. Google it

SleeplessRoads · 05/10/2026 11:44

Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 10:58

Low paid? A doctor? A head teacher? On what planet are they low paid 😂😂.

Yes I’m sure the opportunity to be ceo of Barclays Bank exists in the south but 99% of southerners have normal jobs (and most pay less than a doctor)

Half of people rent so no they will not have a more expensive asset after 30 years of ball busting anyway

Well there’s been lengthy strikes about how low paid junior doctors are and how impossible it is to get a role so that you’re no longer a junior doctor. And every school has precisely one headteacher, so when you said “do you want me to believe there’s no teacher roles”, I can absolutely believe there are extremely few headteacher roles available. In fact, a quick search says there are 49 vacancies within 100 miles of Leeds.

Northerners could also become a popstar (à la the Gallagher brothers), or premier league football players (we have lots of teams) - there’s probably more vacancies for those than there is headteachers…

CraftyCoralFinch · 05/10/2026 11:46

Stay down south we don't want you! 😂

callmej · 05/10/2026 11:46

Are northerners really poorer than southerners?

TLDR No. Not unless the southerner buys a property, sells it a few years later then moves somewhere cheaper. Everything is more expensive down south, so the higher wages don't mean anything as you can't buy more with them. And like you say, the wages are not always higher anyway. I've also never heard southerners mocking or belittling northerners, only northerners 'joking' that's what southerners think of them ie "We even have internet, doncha know ha ha ha." I've also never ever heard anyone declare themselves a 'proud southerner', or use it to define themselves and set themselves apart from others. That may be coming though. There's people who benefit from causing division, and it works as people always want someone else to blame.

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Noddyslittleredcar · 05/10/2026 11:49

concertinacornflake · 05/10/2026 10:43

These prices are very low. You are not living in reality.

The north-south divide is real.

I don't think anyone is saying the north South divide isn't real, but a) it isn't as big as it used to be and b) taking the cheapest areas of the north and comparing them with average parts of the south isn't a true comparison.

There are parts of the south where you can buy a family home between £200-£250k, (I picked Salisbury and Southampton on Rightmove as random locations) and if you wouldn't want to live in them, fair enough - I wouldn't want to live in the places in the north where you can buy a house for that price either.

scoopsahoooy · 05/10/2026 11:49

x2boys · 05/10/2026 11:41

The North is a big place
But i would love to know where you csnnbuy a family home for less yhan £100 000?

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/92193090#/?channel=RESBUY

But you live in a town struggling with the social care burden, very varied educational opportunities, not many jobs, health and life expectancy lower than the average, lots of poverty, still lagging behind as a result of the decline in the fishing industry. This is the point OP's misisng - of course there are areas of poverty in the south too, but the vast majority of the wealth and opportunitiesin this country are concentrated in the south and that shows up in everything from healthcare to education to political weight given to an area's wellbeing. And it's not just us northerners having a chip on our shoulders - the shift away from manufacturing, mining, industry left swathes of the north struggling, while wealth accumulates in the areas where professional services are, and the government range from not seeming to care (imagine if we'd managed to build fucking HS2 by now! Imagine what that could do for regional inequality!) to actively hostile (Thatcher's advice to 'manage decline' of Liverpool, for example).

OctoberMists · 05/10/2026 11:50

A lot of it is about opportunity. A cursory search brought up 16 film industry internships in London. I then looked at film industry internships in Liverpool, Leeds, Manchester, Sheffield and Newcastle. There was 1 in total (in Leeds). Computing internships -17 in London, 2 in Manchester. That's inequality.

I keep seeing that about apprenships on here - but when we looked at degree ones for DS they are not existant in our area - and all types are highly sought here - but London seemed to have loads.

We're in a small city and there are more courses here than rural area I grew up in.

London is an aging city - not sure about SE in general - but people with kids are moving out meaning fewer school places are filled. So I do wonder if it will stop drawing people in at some point as it's just not worth it anymore.

Everything is more expensive down south, so the higher wages don't mean anything as you can't buy more with them.

DH studied in London decades ago and found that - I spent four years working in south and outside London so didn't have the weighting in wages but did find things cost more.

It's like most things though - you make choices and work out what's best for yoru family.

ithinkthereforeyouare · 05/10/2026 11:50

x2boys · 05/10/2026 11:41

The North is a big place
But i would love to know where you csnnbuy a family home for less yhan £100 000?

Hexthorpe

Rubyupbeat · 05/10/2026 11:52

Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 10:29

I’ve honestly never heard a single southerner say anything snobby or nasty about northerners. I have heard a lot of the opposite though “stuck up posh southerners looking down on us”

I have to agree. I am a lifelong southerner, but spend a lot of time up north, one instance I Complimented a shopkeeper on the beautiful village and that I hadn't heard of before and he said " that's the idea, to keep you bloody southerners out' .on an airfield we use up there, one of the pilots finds it funny to call my husband a 'southern poofter' and worse
We don't even think of a divide and no one I know does either.

Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 11:53

RedToothBrush · 05/10/2026 11:36

There is an issue in places like Stoke and Middlesbrough where lots of middle class people from the South have bought up loads of houses as buy to lets for investment purposes because their equity increases enabled them to do this. This priced out huge numbers of working class people on low incomes from being able to buy their own home because they couldn't compete with buyers who had more money, particularly cash buyers.

There's also a lot of southerner who bought down south and then gained lots of equity and moved north, again pushing up prices in the north and edging out working class people from northern areas which were regarded as nice. Many of these were ex-council properties. I regularly come across locals here who initially make a dig and inquire about how long I've lived in the area. They immediately change tone when they know I've been around for a long long time and didn't move north.

We hear a lot about immigrants coming over and taking housing but there's also a big class resentment about gentrification from white middle class southerners and landlords from the south changing the character of an area massively which isn't talked about anywhere near as much as it should be. Often because it is white middle class southerners who control political agendas because politics is so centralised in the UK so it's an inconvenient story that no one really wants to admit to because the chances are they have skin in the game.

I have had mutual acquaintances say to me that there isn't a cat in hells chance they'd ever visit us even if we lived on a gated estate because they had no desire to Go Up North, such is the level of snobbery and superiority I've come across. And no it wasn't tongue in cheek it was deadly serious. I've had friends who I've ultimately lost touch with because they were never willing to travel north because there was everything they needed in London.

I've also had real issues with TV representation of the North as simply because grim, terrace houses, working class oinks with no manners. One of the worst was the portal of Colin Parry father of Tim Parry who was killed in the IRA bombing of Warrington. As he's a real life person it was particularly jarring as they 'working classed' him rather than show him as northern middle class. Again this is decisions made by southerners. That ultimately grate and I think create tension and then there's a lot of northerners who get rather grumpy about the South.

As a rule I think there is also something of a cultural difference between the middle class in the south and the middle class in the north. It's is often about this need to virtue signal or keep up appearances. I think there's a much more down to earth attitude in the north. It's not everywhere - I think Manchester can be full of shit on this at time - but as a general rule I think it applies.

I think theres a lot of north / south clashes that the north is aware of, but the south ultimately just doesn't have much of a clue about in terms of it's impact and real world consequence because they simply have never been to a lot of these places. Northerners are much more likely to visit various places in the south for numerous reasons. Not least because we are more dependent on cars than the average Londoner (this doesn't apply to the SW though) as public transport is a fantasy outside the cities. That's why Burnham's Bloody Buses are significant and important.

We also have massive issues in terms of how long term policies have favours cities and had massive negative effects on small towns and rural areas. The inability for various London based governments to grasp issues like food security and critical industries that are based outside the SE is really starting to have some significant impacts. This is going to increasing become a major political narrative over the next few years.

If southerners want to be ignorant to how life is in the north - or just generally outside the SE, I don't really have a lot of time for it and yeah I probably do have an attitude about it.

There's too many people who never venture outside London and simply don't understand the world beyond in the rest of the country!

The handwaving away about the issues the north has, really isn't ok.

I do think the north is better in quality for many middle class people compared with the pressures of London. But this really doesn't mean that it's economically better off. Nor does it mean that there isn't really dreadful poverty in some places. None of this takes away from issues with poverty in London.

I just wish there was a better understanding of anywhere outside the SE bubble tbh as it's now getting to a point where this divide has been neglected for so long that these issues have been somewhat existential to the functioning of the country as a whole.

Gentrification would probably improve Middlesbrough let’s be honest. I understand southern landlords buying up properties for their portfolio must be frustrating but why are people frustrated at normal southern families moving around their own country so they can have a bigger home for their kids (especially when people who complain about gentrification seem cool with people from countries thousands of of miles moving here in droves).

If I’d done life life “properly” and started my family at 30 and not 16 I’d probably have moved north first (my kids are really happy and settled so I don’t want to do that now). But can we really hate on other southerners for that and throw around the word “gentrifier”

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DeftGoldHedgehog · 05/10/2026 11:54

IIRC Northern cities people spend more on going out - eating out and drinking.

I remember someone who ran a restaurant chain saying she had focused on opening in Northern cities as people spent more on eating out.

Certainly whenever I catch up with friends and go out daytime drinking on a sunny Saturday in Manchester or Sheffield or Leeds there are plenty of people joining us, it's packed and a great atmosphere.

Though of course when we did the same in Covent Garden it's not exactly quiet either.

Though perhaps cities always do fairly well, it's smaller towns where you might see disparity, between Sevenoaks and Scunthorpe, say.

I don't think there is an obvious north/south divide on wealth though. It's probably more evident in London v everywhere else. Though of course there are poor areas in London.

Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 11:54

takealettermsjones · 05/10/2026 11:44

No. Google it

I would but it dosent exist 😂😂 unless it’s burnt to the ground and up for auction

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scoopsahoooy · 05/10/2026 11:56

"(especially when people who complain about gentrification seem cool with people from countries thousands of of miles moving here in droves)"

Oh come on. Apples and oranges. Are 'droves' of immigrants pushing house prices up and pricing out locals?

Naegriafowlia · 05/10/2026 11:57

SleeplessRoads · 05/10/2026 11:44

Well there’s been lengthy strikes about how low paid junior doctors are and how impossible it is to get a role so that you’re no longer a junior doctor. And every school has precisely one headteacher, so when you said “do you want me to believe there’s no teacher roles”, I can absolutely believe there are extremely few headteacher roles available. In fact, a quick search says there are 49 vacancies within 100 miles of Leeds.

Northerners could also become a popstar (à la the Gallagher brothers), or premier league football players (we have lots of teams) - there’s probably more vacancies for those than there is headteachers…

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Are you the one who mentioned southerners have the chance to become city bankers? But being a head teacher up north is impossible because there’s a limited number of those roles?

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