To question whether northerners are actually poorer than southerners ?

[Naegriafowlia]

As we know a lot of northerners seem to think all southerners are living like the Russian Romanov family pre murder and funds from the south should be directed up north because they are apparently so much poorer than us.

But is this even true? If you can buy a family home up there for 100k or less and the same size home costs 300-400k on average in the south. You already have a lot more disposable income. I know they say they get paid less, but Tesco (for example) pays the same every where and has branches everywhere. I know they also say there’s no good jobs there but where there’s people there’s schools and hospitals so you want us to believe there’s no teachers and doctors?

I know someone will say “move there then” personally I won’t be moving anywhere anytime soon as I started my family young (first born a few months after GCSEs) and my kids are all really settled in school and with friends.
Based on what I’ve heard from northerners they are more welcoming to people from countries on the other side of the planet than they are their fellow countrymen from 100 miles to the south.

Low paid? A doctor? A head teacher? On what planet are they low paid 😂😂.

Yes I’m sure the opportunity to be ceo of Barclays Bank exists in the south but 99% of southerners have normal jobs (and most pay less than a doctor)

Half of people rent so no they will not have a more expensive asset after 30 years of ball busting anyway

I’m pleased you haven't heard nasty comments, they are unpleasant.

Comments in reverse aren’t pleasant either but those making them may have some basis for their complaints.

Both St Andrews and Edinburgh universities have problems with Scottish students being belittled by English students (and in some cases lecturers) for their background, accent, class.

It’s not students and staff from the north of England doing the belittling.

Did you mean to quote my post?

We (as in my family) definitely have a higher quality of love in Yorkshire than we would with the same jobs in Greater London. Simply from housing costs. We will pay off our mortgage next year, at 41&43 for example.

Other things cost more. We need to have two cars fir example... no handy London Transport. Council tax tends to be higher.

A big thing for us though is DHs job would pay exactly the same in London. Mines WFH so it doesnt matter.

More peoole get UC top ups in London (i think the new FSM numbers will highlight this!)

I wish people would stop posting about how nice it is up North. We have spent years creating the "its grim up north" messaging to help keep the Southern out. We get bigger houses, with more land, better access to national parks, better football teams, a whole better version of Rugby, even the water is better. It is just a better quality of life. Yeah Southerns might on paper get paid more but we work smarter not harder. We even get the Southerns to contribute towards paying for it.

I think it massively depends on where "up north" you mean. Where we live a family home is £400k+ and there are areas down south where equivalent properties are cheaper.

Salaries in the north and south are broadly the same outside of Greater London.

I think large areas of the country are broadly similar, regardless of north or south, as long as they aren't in the London commuter belt.

Surely if you own a house worth 400k you're richer than if you own a house worth 100k?
If you mean you could have more disposable income as a doctor or teacher in the "north," then possibly. But 100k family homes are extremely rare anywhere.

Even in the poorest area of Manchester you won’t get a house for £700 rent that isn’t a house share.

Before I left Manchester I rented a two bed semi on a council estate and was paying £1100! Even completely deprived areas like Rochdale, Oldham which are far from the city are way more than £700.

Where are you getting your information?
I live in the north, no one hates southerners or thinks they're all posh and stuck up. People know there is poverty everywhere. Many northerners appreciate the lower house prices. We do, rightly, recognise there are more job opportunities in London and that is where a lot of the wealthiest people in the UK live but we don't have this disdain for southerners you seem to think we have.

I heard something similar to this. Students being made fun of for having jobs and not having been to private school.

This makes absolutely no sense people are always mocking unemployed people for being “bums” and private school students for being “posh spoilt brats” (especially considering unemployed people and private school students are largely outnumbered).

Im not saying the above definitely doesn't happen but it didn’t sound hugely feasible to me.

Sorry this is a little tangent now I am definitely not saying Scottish students aren’t being mocked for their accents I can imagine that happening and it’s not nice at all

I have a job and went to state school before someone starts

@Naegriafowlia not sure where your getting you house prices from, but I live in the north and the prices you're quoting for the south are very similar to where I live.

Exactly. Even in Preston you'll be hard pushed to rent a family home for less than £1200 - those that are aren't in places families live! Where we live in Greater Manchester, there isn't a 3 bed for less than £1695.

im comparing small towns to small towns. If I was to compare cities to cities I’m sure it would be a lot higher for both north and south albeit with the north still being a lot cheaper

OP you're generalising. It's pointless. I live in a part of the north where you really struggle to get a 4 bed house for under £500k (I know because I'm looking).

@Naegriafowlia I live in a small town and not one of the major cities.

Fewer well paid jobs and opportunities and transport is dire, life expectancy is also lower due to poverty in many parts of the north. Just look at Sutton Trust’s research on this. 1 in 4 people in Doncaster have no qualifications at all, imagine that stat in Oxford.

Your post is confusing, I’m not sure what point you are making. It is unequivocally happening at those two universities.

My point is that it is southern students who are the source of the problem, not northern.

And I didn’t mention private education.

But as it is indeed a tangent, I’ll step away from the thread now.

I think it's really hard because very few people will know a location in "the north" and a location in "the south" that are similar in demographics, style, make up and lifestyle in order to do a true comparison. But yes, where I live, average house prices are higher than some places down south, but I've no idea if they are truly comparable.

People from Northern England has a reputation for being friendly. Maybe it's because their Col is so low?

I was not disagreeing with you regarding Scottish students being mocked (which I think is horrible) it just made me think of something I saw very recently where a girl was claiming she was teased for not going to private school and for having a job. Which seemed like bollocks to me. Again sorry it was a tangent and had nothing to do with what you said which I can definitely see happening

So I live in the north east my three bed detached is worth £250k if I wanted a decent sized 4 bed I would be paying between 280-350 so not really as cheap as you think.

Most areas it doesn’t cost 100k or less for a house. You might get a shitty one bed that’s run down in a village 40 minutes away from anywhere for that. Average small homes in my northern town costs closer to 300k.

Doctors and nurses in London and surrounds get the Higher Cost Area uptick so are paid more.

As a northerner in London (zone 6) I can assure you that there is more money down here. Northerners aren’t poor, but southern money especially London and the Home Counties is global level wealth. Average semi detached that needs work where I live costs in excess of £1m…

Not everybody works in shops, schools snd hospitals. And a lot of us did have to move down South to find jobs in our field.

I’m comparing a small/medium sized town by the sea to a small/medium sized town by the sea. If I compared London to Manchester the prives would obviously both be higher but London still more expensive

We have Booths as well. But when we say Northern are we including Scotland?