Would Labour voters be upset if joining the EU meant they could no longer tax children’s education?

[Blarneyspoco]

Taxing children’s education is banned as part of EU membership. If the U.K. rejoined the EU, would Labour supporters be upset that they can no longer levy the tax or would it be seen as a necessary compromise.

A lot of people did not need to move house though, especially in places like Surrey -all the research showed that a fair percentage of private school parents were already living in the best catchment areas. So what has happened now is that they have been incentivised by Labour to save money and take the better state places from those who can’t afford it! Same with grammar schools and church schools and all other forms of selection, that exist and very much so in England. In fact, it is all either house price selective, or academically selective, or aptitude places or church goers in this country anyway. So basically they have helped the middle classes and given them the edge and screwed everyone else over. So I guess in that way it really is like a vaping smoking ban, help them see the light. And the academies are all too happy to swoop up the more advantaged families anyway.

Ik you’re getting a lot of personal attacks on these threads but yes what was the point?

And since Starmer and co pledged better state off the back of a poor policy why no questions on where that improvement is

Obviously it’s mn so your take is drawing loads of personal ire instead, happily I suppose the key creators of it have been ousted. So their cloth eared inability to listen lost them their jobs.

Not really, VAT is now payable on children’s education. It currently affects 7% of children. It’s not a contradiction, just the facts.

Approx 18% of sixth form parents actually. The 7% figure is a con, given sixth form is the one before uni.

And imagine if taxing private education included taxing tutors - which hundreds of thousand of state school parents use. The % of those having private education would be much much higher.

Yes, pretty relentless despite asking rather tame questions and being polite. The closest I’ve got to an answer on why Introducing tax on children’s education is a good idea, is that it only affects half a million children (I.e not mine).

The vast majority of the rest of the world doesn't do this. Think about that for a second

Yes the world does not do this and it is precisely why if the starting point were to be able to keep this VAT on private education, they would be laughed out of the room by the EU. Because it is symptomatic of that British my way or the highway or breaking the mould/rules and entitlement.

And it is also symptomatic of that nasty part of the Labour Party that just needs to fuck off once and for all if we are going to make this country a happy and successful place again.

Yep. I think those three going will help.

Completely agree. I also think the reason people get upset when asked to explain why they support it, is because they realise they’ve been misled.

VAT is now payable on some/private children's education.

Why can't you just state the facts more clearly?

You are being hauled over the coals because you have two sentences that contradict each other. It is very easy to add the one simple word - private.

Yep

The motivation is removing VAT-exempt status from an optional service (often) provided by private businesses pretending to be charities.

I have no problem at all with those rich enough to pay for the children to attend private school to have to pay more to support the education of those in state school. If you don't like that, then don't use fee-paying schools. .

The policy was to remove VAT exemption on children’s education services, that is the policy that people support. VAT is payable now on children’s education, this currently affects around 500k children. I don’t see what is unclear about this?

Do I have to explain to people that you don’t pay VAT on zero fee public services?

So the motivation is to provide funding for state schools? If it was proven that this provides no funding for state schools or it’s actually a net tax loss, would you no longer support it?

However, when you say there is no wriggle room at the general EU rules, it just isn't true

Since when have facts ever been of use in discussing Brexit ?

We hold all the cards, they will change the rules when they realise that. British exceptionalism at its best.

The example wasn’t a good one, no school is going to voluntarily change status so an extra 20% tax is applied.

The VAT change was nothing to do with charitable status. Two VERY different things. The charitable status available hasn't been changed.

The policy was to remove VAT exemption on SOME children’s education services, that is the policy that people support. VAT is payable now on SOME children's education.

The general term "children's education" is, by implication, all children's education. Addding the sentence about it only affecting around 509k children is a contradiction of the first sentence.

We are goung round in circles with this.

For the record, I think the addition of VAT on PRIVATE education was ill judged.

According to Google only 50% of private schools have charitable status anyway.

Nail on the head. I hope Burnham stops the politics of hate, spite and envy so loved by Reeves and Starmer.

The VAT exemption has been removed for children’s education. Full stop. That’s what has happened.

It doesn’t affect children using zero fee publicly funded education services because no VAT is levied, therefore they are not affected by the direct taxation.

These are the facts, I can’t present them any clearer for you.

You mean like the Conservatives made the country a happy and successful place ?

Children are children.

When you tax their education you tax children’s education.

Playing with some and all doesn’t change that.