Kemi B - the best form of welfare is a well paying job...

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She is absolutely right isn't she? Discussing the triple lock pension challenge and instead focusing on getting people into work. Do you agree with her ? Working 3 or 6 or 9 hours to then top up with benefits isn't the way forward (not including disabilities in here )

Jesus.
Where are all these well paying full time jobs?
You can't just reform welfare (stop supporting the most vulnerable) if there are not enough jobs (full time or otherwise) to go round and many of those jobs certainly do not pay enough to support someone.

Yep, that makes no sense. Add to that zero hour jobs were you are lucky to get 16 hours a week, but have to be available at the drop of a hat in case more hours come up so you can't get another job.

I think this is a common opinion, but the truth is I left a job paying well into six figures because I couldn’t keep enough of it. I have now another job that pays 40% less on paper, but my take home is like £500 different. Little to no financial impact and less stress - for me, HRMC have lost a decent chunk from me there, but ultimately for £500 less per month, I benefit from no longer working quite so hard

it was a really good decision for me. But not one I would have made if I could have kept the extra money. In my situation I had to pile it all into my pension, had I not, I would have been worse off by thousands in terms of take home due to the cliff edge.

More people are falling foul of this due to tax bands, it’s an issue for productivity and tax revenue and it needs dealt with.

I'd suggest people look for better paid work and to go where their skills takes them.

Again to start your working career on £32k-£34k is perfectly fine. It's enough to live on. I suggest people budget accordingly especially when they are starting out their careers.

I'd suggest people look for better paid work and to go where their skills takes them

You sound like an expert. Care to share your own experience? Not your DH or DC.... you.

I’m fantastic at finding just about anybody a job. If anyone wants help then they’re welcome to inbox me. It’s something I really enjoy and have thought about doing as a career.

I’m on that and it’s fine. Why wouldn’t it be? How much do you earn? What are your outgoings?

I was not asking you. I was asking the person I quoted because she keeps banging on about how £30k is a "starter" salary and seems to look down on people who earn less than that.

I didn’t read it that way at all. There’s no need to be snippy.

You are answering a question I was not asking you though.

What do these jobs pay? I am a lone parent with a teenager in education. I have a mortgage.

We are not talking about people starting out, you are the only one doing so.

Do you accept that there are people who need top ups to be able not having to choose between heating or eating ? And that those people are hardworking?

And saying find a well paying job is just empty words?

IKR - keeps going on about starting salaries. These are not relevant to most households.

And wont say what their salary is.
Not that I am against them, but they come across as a SAHM.... but have no right to look down on people who earn less than their teenage kid when they earn fuck all themselves.

Are you even in the workforce?

I am, and I’ve been on this salary pretty much forever. It’s fine. Not wonderful but my lifestyle is ok. No need to get aggressive with that poster.

And you support a family and home on that salary alone?

I don't think she has been for over 2 decades.

I do have a job.

That poster looks down on people on low salaries.
I said my DP earns £30k in his 50s, and she replied that her 18 year old earns the same and will earn more. My DP wont. She bangs on about her DH earning loads.
She mentions £34k as a "starter salary"... despite being told that many people don't earn that much anyway, and that for some it is the peak of their earnings.

Several people have asked about her job and salary. No response. Why is that?

People in glass houses should not throw stones.

And I know who you are. Again.

My MN stalker.

Is it a shocking belief to think that if you're able bodied and you're not caring for someone who has significant health issues that maybe the onus is on you to (in the long run) to be self sufficient and manage your own way through life?

I completely agree with Kemi. We’ve put ourselves in an absurd situation where we’ve taxed wealth creation and jobs so much to pay for benefits that the jobs and wealth creators are disappearing leaving fewer jobs and more people on benefits. Vicious cycle. It must be so hard for young people today who actually do want to work, Labour has really screwed them over.

What is your job and salary?

You follow me on MN,and have done for ages. So sad.... I see your posts "I have seen people on MN who have not worked due to MH for xyz years".. you post that on any thread to do with benefits. BTW, 20 years ago I was working. 10 years ago, I was too.
You have posted such comments on several names now... and I remember them all.
I see them and I know you are on about me. So what? Why not just woman up and tag me.... because I see them anyway.

Totally.

Yeah, poor people! Have you ever considered just having more money?

There is a limited number of vacancies, especially at the "well paid" end, and a much larger number of people without jobs.

Yep, it is sad when people in the low paid and vital jobs are blamed for their own poverty.
The cost of living has shot up.