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Schools/acamedies are actually inhumane for students and staff alike! Long post...

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Realworld10 · 26/09/2026 00:44

I did warn the long post...

When I first started teaching in the early 1990s it was still a tough gig but there really was a mutual comaraderie and consensus (mostly) with all of us, including parents, together. A quick call, sorry but Gary has been disruptive the past few weeks, can we get to the bottom of it together rather than escalation to formal reports (though we did have to write incidents of course) but we all knew this. Response was almost always supportive and students knew they did have to be more respectful and they were and apologised. Of course those who couldn't regulate themselves and needed extra support, we acknowledged this and went above and beyond to get help.

This was the time of schools, smaller, we all knew students' names because they were in our classes or extra activities. If we didn't know a name, quick ask of other staff and seconds later we found out. IME it really was like a big family who cared for each other.

Yes, I grew up in the 1970s and 1980s so know about and have experienced inappropriate behaviour from teachers and had been trained about so many issues ehich weren't called 'Safeguarding' but the same ideology.

Back to the point 👉...these small local secondary schools were closed down (I won't go into the politics of suddenly becoming 'incompetent' after decades of success) to create one new massive new build to incorporate students who used to walk to needing a bus, parents dropping off.

Once in school, a fish bowl of one way only in long, stuffy corridors and stairs for our DC to get to next lesson. Barely time to decompress from previous lesson to be met with 'bell task'. Yes, we do really need to stood outside of our classrooms to hand out pieces of paper for this. It's so difficult not having your own classroom, which we used to have, to not enough to spare so we have we wheel a trolley of books, resources, up flights of stairs because the lift means to ask for a key which you have to interrupt the library (not on the same floor) for, then run to give it back before the lift doors close. Then at the designated classroom, to be expected to hand out bell tasks, wheel your trolley in, give out books, login and hope the remote is there and not been hidden (yes staff do steal them) to freeze starter task while you login to online register and call all names out. Meanwhile of course dealing with the usual 'Miss, I don't have my book a pen, a chair, he's kicking me, she's stolen my pencil, it stinks in here, I'm cold, I'm hot etc. '

The new build has fantastic technology with every corridor needing a swipe from staff to get to the next corridor. While I do appreciate the safety aspect of it, when on supply and trapped between 2 doors, having to bang to get someone to notice, I do fear for my life in a fire risk situation.

So, on to the structure of the day now...
As a parent, the earliest I could drop DC off at nursery then primary breakfast club at 8am, then a 25 mins drive, I was there before 8.30am. Fortunately, before it became an academy, I was able to do this as tutor time was 9am and I had of course planned and prepared, photocopied resources beforehand, all ready for the next day and beyond. Staff meetings were twice a week, 8.45am.

So, the academy takeovers 😳 True life experience. All of a sudden business took over education. Small schools who were thriving suddenly became inadequate, brilliant HTs and older members of staff disappeared with NDAs. The big conglomerate academies replaced them, along with young staff trained by the management of them.

I dare to say this now because I'm out of it, on my own accord, but feel very passionate about how this has been allowed to happen. I've observed ECTs who are under this regiment and he was a former student. I couldn't hold back and said how awful it seems so robotic now; prescribed powerpoints, no time for individual input and, though he was equally as scared to speak about it, he said Miss you're right, we're robots now who daren't do anything different 😢

Yes this has been background leading up to the main point that an academy day is ruthless.

15 mins for morning break has always been the case, quick replenish after one/two hours, toilet. There is no need to queue up in the canteen, snack in your bag, you've got your water already kids. Same for us, gobble something, few sips of coffee, loo, back to entry demands. When we're on duty we don't get a break, look for the nearest loo, drink our coffee standing up in tje corridor then go back to teach.

Lunch however is far too squashed! Half an hour is ridiculous 🙄 all in order to start and finish early and trap students inside, the same with staff, it's inhumane! The rotas of different years having lunch just to finish earlier. It really was far better when we had an hour (not sexist, it happened) boys playing football, girls walking about, fresh air and time.

Unfortunately, due to misuse and reckless behaviour from some students, most academies see the need for a shorter, more intensive school day structure to prevent the opportunity for this. However, this restriction to 'let go' means even more disruption in lessons.

So I say 'inhumane' as new built acamedies seem like cages for all of us. As staff we don't have an office as a curriculum leaders, so have to juggle meetings/detentions/interventions/extra tuition all in the same room.

Students have to rush from one room to the next, one way, same prescribed format, so boring! Then their breaks are so short, queuing, toilets locked at an exact time when they've barely had enough time to eat.

As an ex teacher, already knowing it was abhorrent, being on supply I'm able to take a step back and observe the whole thing. I see your DC coming in desperate to go to the toilet and, also as a FT teacher, I knew and would let them go always. Rules have to be followed as supply, but same again, you can tell when a student is genuine.

To add yet again, it's unfortunate that a few spoil it for others, make a shoe of about to wet themselves, make a mockery.

Sad that schools are now run as businesses, oh the parking with reservations for 'CEO' and other corporate labels is immediately visible for us plebs. The struggle to get a parking space and you need to go elsewhere, but the aligning road has a permit sign because the neighbourhood doesn't like parking on their road, so thankfully you have a supermarket nearby which allows extra hours so you wheel your trolley, have your backpack and deciding whether you can walk or need to jog. Then you see the always empty spots of CEO and the other titles.

I know this has been an incredibly long post, thank you to those of you have read my vent! So much more to say but basically we teachers are just cogs in the academy machine but do our job because we chose this caring and educational profession. We care about your DC and agree with so many things you're saying.

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Screamingabdabz · 26/09/2026 10:40

randomchap · 26/09/2026 01:30

Please tell us more about the idyllic education of the 70s and 80s. We're all agog

At least I had a proper lunch break and school trips. School discos sometimes.

As a working class kid it was a patchy education but at least I came out literate and had been exposed to a broad range of ideas.

And I left school with my mental health intact.

Sympathies op. It’s a bin fire now.

BogRollBOGOF · 26/09/2026 11:53

Not all academies are the same. Yes there are some very corporate, zero humanity tolerance trusts, but others are much more education centred and not notably different to schools within the past 30 years.

Funding is a major issue for all schools. It does feel like academy culture has sucked money upwards into corporate management salaries while in classrooms glue sticks are still in short supply. Pootling happily on MPS6 can be a dangerous place to be at risk of replacement by cheaper, less experienced teachers.

The other issue is behaviour and personal responsibility. 30 years ago we didn't need "standards cards" for equipment at my school as equipment was a non issue. If you got caught out, you could borrow a spare from a friend, and no disruption caused. With standards cards, I have to lend out far fewer pens now than I was 10-20 years ago when there wasn't a consequence. I remember one lesson where I had 6 y8s with something to write with and 20 who didn't. I may as well have chucked my spare pens in the bin myself rather than the sense of deflation at picking up their broken shards off the floor at the end of the lesson. It was a particularly shit class in a shitty school then, but that lack of personal responsibility (and enabling by parents) has become more widespread since, and schools have had to adjust in order to keep schools as places of learning and not being daycare for feral teenagers.

Again, lunchtimes are a cost of staffing supervision, and behaviour. Even if lunchtime supervisors were still affordable, many students would treat them without respect. Many parents would backlash against extending the school day to accomodate longer lunch times.

Blushingm · 26/09/2026 11:55

I think you’re generalising

howshouldibehave · 26/09/2026 12:00

It’s not just academies-my last school was LA and very similar.

I am so glad to have left. I wouldn’t recommend teaching to my worse enemy.

LeanBackAgain · 26/09/2026 12:22

I broadly agree with some of your main points - the academy system means schools are now very often run by a large MAT and are results-focussed businesses first and foremost; teachers and students are under ridiculous amounts of pressure to perform; there has been a shift away from collaborative teacher-parent relations in some (lots, but not all) schools.

However, I think you are looking at the past through rose tinted glasses.

I was at primary school in the 1980s and secondary school in the early-mid 90s. My school was a supposedly very good London state school - good results considering it drew from areas of deprivation; excellent sixth form; parents wanted their child to go there.

There was zero safeguarding (or anything approaching it…I know statutory duties hadn’t been brought in back then). Many inappropriate relationships and interactions between staff and students. Extremely poor attendance monitoring.

SEND support was non existent. An hour a week out of class with the one ‘learning support lady’ for the most challenged children was the best offer.

The senior leadership hid in their offices and ruled from behind closed doors.

There were fights and behaviour issues akin to what happens in only the very worst schools today.

And although we had some wonderful teachers, regulation of the profession and monitoring of standards was zilch. We had a PE teacher who regularly pushed and manhandled students. A drama teacher who smoked fags at break with year 9/10s. A Head of Year who roasted us in assemblies, calling us ‘thick idiots’ and ‘stupid’. A creepy lech caretaker. A paedo art teacher (later convicted).

I was seen as disruptive and lazy because despite being top set for every subject, I truanted a lot and was disengaged in lessons. Actually, I was a troubled child, had a drug problem and was being exploited by an adult male outside school (who used to drop me and pick me up from school in plain sight). No teacher ever asked if I was ok or what was going on, and communication with my mother was the occasional letter to say my attendance and punctuality were poor.

I wouldnt slip under the radar in the same way in today’s education system. Not a chance.

PopcornKitten · 26/09/2026 16:37

100% agree with what you’re saying.
as a parent, and member of school staff, I have watched the erosion of care and the more corporate attitude in schools.
kids and staff are treated badly in many schools. If you stay under the radar you can avoid some of the negative experiences.

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 09:37

Thanks for posting, OP. I had to skim-read that, due to the rage and guilt I feel for having subjected my child to one of these corporate prison-schools. Perfectly normal, bright, happy child when she joined the system 3 years ago, self-harming mess when she came out.

Skyrocketing numbers of mental health problems among kids, and stressed, unhappy teachers - surely this is a direct consequence of the corporatisation of schools and the horrible environments many of them have become.

But we aren't going to get any reliable unbiased independent studies and research into this, are we? Nor any investment or new school building programmes from the "government." We will get a load of gaslighting and whitewashing, and Brits do love voting for muppets, so it's going to carry on.

Unless parents can home-ed or afford private, and people like the OP can set up their own education cooperatives and home ed hubs, I don't know what the answer is.

Tiredtyre · 27/09/2026 09:47

RedTagAlan · 26/09/2026 02:59

Maybe Communism is the answer you seek ? You know, take the commercial aspect out, and make education about "the greater good".

As a matter of interest, when you talk about school being like a goldfish bowl, have you ever worked in a factory, or have you always been a teacher ? And we can add big open plan offices too. The ones with partitions, and without.

Because if a large part of school is to prepare kids for the workplace, I think it is important they partially replicate it. To prepare them. And that can also apply to toilet breaks. If working on an assembly line, you can't just go to the loo. Because that stops the line.

But, if you think schools should be preparing kids for a work from home society, then you make lots of good points. But unfortunately, society can't function with 100% work from home. So really then we might need separate schools. Those for WFH, and other for "factory and shop". But really, exploring that, surely the best way to prepare for WFH, would be to home school.

But that model is getting potentially dystopian. Because that would be like a hermit society. One with no real social interactions.

Also, it would be creating new classes of society. Where a person's future is dictated by what school system they are allocated. And for equal opportunities for all, which I believe in. I don't think that would be any good.

I never understand this " logic"

Preparing the kids to work in an office...so make them have a shit life the entire time they exist?

I say, give them an education where they can have fun, have air, walk both ways in a corridor, play sports at lunch time.

Not everyone works in an airless, joyless office.

By your logic, wee girls should wear a hijab from birth to get them used to it.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 09:52

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 09:37

Thanks for posting, OP. I had to skim-read that, due to the rage and guilt I feel for having subjected my child to one of these corporate prison-schools. Perfectly normal, bright, happy child when she joined the system 3 years ago, self-harming mess when she came out.

Skyrocketing numbers of mental health problems among kids, and stressed, unhappy teachers - surely this is a direct consequence of the corporatisation of schools and the horrible environments many of them have become.

But we aren't going to get any reliable unbiased independent studies and research into this, are we? Nor any investment or new school building programmes from the "government." We will get a load of gaslighting and whitewashing, and Brits do love voting for muppets, so it's going to carry on.

Unless parents can home-ed or afford private, and people like the OP can set up their own education cooperatives and home ed hubs, I don't know what the answer is.

No, it doesn't appear to be the reason for sky-rocketing mental health problems in kids, because sky-rocketing mental health problems in kids are not just restricted to England, and certainly not just restricted to strict schools.

FedUpCelery · 27/09/2026 09:56

Tiredtyre · 27/09/2026 09:47

I never understand this " logic"

Preparing the kids to work in an office...so make them have a shit life the entire time they exist?

I say, give them an education where they can have fun, have air, walk both ways in a corridor, play sports at lunch time.

Not everyone works in an airless, joyless office.

By your logic, wee girls should wear a hijab from birth to get them used to it.

I agree with you. I thought that guy's post was satire but by the end I wasn't so sure.

The only options he seems to think are available are to send your kids to school and prepare them for a life of drudgery or home educate and prepare them for a life of isolation. There are so many more options available in life and both school and home education that if set up thoughtfully can prepare for them all.

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 10:11

@noblegiraffeI want independent research on class size, overcrowding, arbitrary rule changes, flogging uniform for profit/forcing kids and parents into meaningless compliance, exam pressure and the impact on MH of being forced to learn about drugs and misery/gender issues/government policy du jour when they should be studying core subjects. Other people's opinions aren't going to change my family's lived experience.

Schools are not "strict" any more, they are coercive. Actual criminal children are allowed to remain in the system and drugs are routinely dealt outside the gates - but if they were wearing polishable shoes and had 90% attendance, who cares?

sarahwarah11 · 27/09/2026 10:11

Not all schools or academies are like that. I work in a small academy and we still care about the students and know most of them by name. Starters have improved learning and behaviour and 40 minutes for lunch is plenty. One way routes save time and agro.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 10:18

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 10:11

@noblegiraffeI want independent research on class size, overcrowding, arbitrary rule changes, flogging uniform for profit/forcing kids and parents into meaningless compliance, exam pressure and the impact on MH of being forced to learn about drugs and misery/gender issues/government policy du jour when they should be studying core subjects. Other people's opinions aren't going to change my family's lived experience.

Schools are not "strict" any more, they are coercive. Actual criminal children are allowed to remain in the system and drugs are routinely dealt outside the gates - but if they were wearing polishable shoes and had 90% attendance, who cares?

Anecdote isn't data though, and kids are increasingly miserable globally.
https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/child-adolescent-and-youth-mental-health-in-the-21st-century_1092c3cb-en.html

It may well have been that a strict school contributed to your child's mental health problems, but strict schools do not appear to be the reason for rocketing mental health problems in the young, given that most do not attend them and yet mental health problems are nonetheless increasing.

Backedoffhackedoff · 27/09/2026 10:22

Honestly all of our jobs have changed recognisably in the last 30 years. It is a very long period of time.

i had a secondary education in the 90s and it was just shit. My children get a much richer academic and social experience

Backedoffhackedoff · 27/09/2026 10:23

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 10:11

@noblegiraffeI want independent research on class size, overcrowding, arbitrary rule changes, flogging uniform for profit/forcing kids and parents into meaningless compliance, exam pressure and the impact on MH of being forced to learn about drugs and misery/gender issues/government policy du jour when they should be studying core subjects. Other people's opinions aren't going to change my family's lived experience.

Schools are not "strict" any more, they are coercive. Actual criminal children are allowed to remain in the system and drugs are routinely dealt outside the gates - but if they were wearing polishable shoes and had 90% attendance, who cares?

Obviously, as you realise how research is conducted you would know that’s an impossible ask

XelaM · 27/09/2026 10:38

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 10:11

@noblegiraffeI want independent research on class size, overcrowding, arbitrary rule changes, flogging uniform for profit/forcing kids and parents into meaningless compliance, exam pressure and the impact on MH of being forced to learn about drugs and misery/gender issues/government policy du jour when they should be studying core subjects. Other people's opinions aren't going to change my family's lived experience.

Schools are not "strict" any more, they are coercive. Actual criminal children are allowed to remain in the system and drugs are routinely dealt outside the gates - but if they were wearing polishable shoes and had 90% attendance, who cares?

Exactly this 👏🏼

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 10:39

@noblegiraffeWe are talking at cross-purposes. It doesn't matter. The school wasn't "strict" at all - it was bullshitting people with fake-strict crappy rule and policy requirements, while allowing awful and criminal behaviour to continue under its nose.

For the purposes of this thread I just agree 💯 with the OP, am sorry she's had such an awful time, and thank her and ppl like her for their commitment. But I am glad there are teachers like her who will say how it really is.

Notmytelescope · 27/09/2026 11:01

BigYellowBus · 26/09/2026 05:36

Tell us more about these 'small local schools'. Mine (1970s-80s) was 750 pupils (4 forms per year) and that was considered quite small. I doubt any teachers knew every pupil...

4 form entry is very small - it was even small in the 80's... some of these modern academies have more than 2000 pupils. (And significant problems with pupils becoming school avoidant as they transition from mostly very small primaries)

RedTagAlan · 27/09/2026 12:20

Tiredtyre · 27/09/2026 09:47

I never understand this " logic"

Preparing the kids to work in an office...so make them have a shit life the entire time they exist?

I say, give them an education where they can have fun, have air, walk both ways in a corridor, play sports at lunch time.

Not everyone works in an airless, joyless office.

By your logic, wee girls should wear a hijab from birth to get them used to it.

Quote " By your logic, wee girls should wear a hijab from birth to get them used to it.". Where on earth did that come from ?

Anyway. Large part of the history of education innit ?

It used to be that it was just kids of the elite who were educated. In the classics, Priestly thing, etc. Then the industrial revolution happened, and industry needed workers who could read and write. Do sums. Understand drawings, do drawings, work in factories to make things, invent things, build more factories, for the countries economy and so on.

It is the basic requirement of a state education system. To produce a skilled and capable workforce. The individual benefits of course, but also the greater masses benefit. For the greater good.

A state education system that produces... lets say Yoga practitioners, might be great for the individual, but it would not do much for "the greater good", or the national GDP.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 12:35

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 10:39

@noblegiraffeWe are talking at cross-purposes. It doesn't matter. The school wasn't "strict" at all - it was bullshitting people with fake-strict crappy rule and policy requirements, while allowing awful and criminal behaviour to continue under its nose.

For the purposes of this thread I just agree 💯 with the OP, am sorry she's had such an awful time, and thank her and ppl like her for their commitment. But I am glad there are teachers like her who will say how it really is.

Sure, I'm not saying that schools are a great place to be, critical underfunding and a severe shortage of teachers have seen to that.

However, to say that rocketing mental health problems in adolescents is a direct consequence of strict schools just isn't justified by the evidence.

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 12:52

@noblegiraffe. I specifically did not say that. Unsure what your definition of "strict" is.

I said overcrowding and 4 or 5 other things, for which I would like independent research.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 13:05

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 12:52

@noblegiraffe. I specifically did not say that. Unsure what your definition of "strict" is.

I said overcrowding and 4 or 5 other things, for which I would like independent research.

You said "corporate prison-schools" and "arbitrary rule changes, flogging uniform for profit/forcing kids and parents into meaningless compliance"
along with weirdly having a problem with schools teaching kids about drugs.

User454545454546565 · 27/09/2026 13:26

Yes, that's what I said, noblegiraffe.

"Strict" well-run schools would clamp down on antisocial behaviour and expel the drug dealing children and delinquents. They won't, because it doesn't suit government let's-not-build-any-schools policy and whatever interests are being favoured by the current system.

It's not "weird" to not want your child coming home basically traumatised by learning about ket bladder and SA. That's not "Personal Development", that's a kind of self-defence lesson. And then seeing grown adults covering up and lying that a teacher had fallen down the stairs, when in fact the ambulance had come to pick up two kids who overdosed in the toilets. Isolated "anecdote" and not happening anywhere else in the UK??
That one was not the school's fault, but when are they going to consider the effect on previously normal happy kids, of having to deal with this level of dysfunctionality? There were also knife carrying incidents und unspeakable things I can't mention on here. Yet in the same year this school went from RI to Good in all areas.

Many schools are not safe places to be and the manipulation of data by the authorities is making things so much worse.

Realworld10 · 27/09/2026 18:49

NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/09/2026 01:20

The doors automatically unlock when a fire alarm is triggered.

Edited

That's good to know, thank you.

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Goldenbear · 28/09/2026 13:41

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 12:35

Sure, I'm not saying that schools are a great place to be, critical underfunding and a severe shortage of teachers have seen to that.

However, to say that rocketing mental health problems in adolescents is a direct consequence of strict schools just isn't justified by the evidence.

School surveillance software and excessive monitoring of students as well as learning analytics certainly does cause anxiety to be off the scale, how can it not?