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I feel like i’ve fucked up my 15yo

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dontknow00 · Yesterday 22:21

I honestly dont know where to start with this today my 15 year old DS pushed me backwards into a cupboard during an argument and it really hurt and frightened me. ive had enough rows with him over the years that I dont even know why this one has tipped me over but it has. im sat here tonight thinking how on earth have I got to this point with my own child. I know ive made mistakes with him I know I have and I keep going over things in my head thinking maybe ive actually caused alot of this myself. I feel completely lost atm and dont know what to do.

hes 15 and when hes angry its like another person comes out. he swears at me and calls me names like a cunt and a fucking bitch and screams right in my face and just refuses everything. l I dont know how much longer I can keep pretending this is just normal teenage behaviour because it isnt is it.

at the moment its basically constant. he refuses school and stays awake half the night gaming then sleeps half the day if I let him and if I ask him to do anything he says no or tells me to fuck off. he has punched walls slammed doors thrown things and damaged stuff in the house. he deliberately winds up the younger ones and sometimes they are genuinely scared of him. he walks out when hes angry and then comes back when he wants food money wifi or something else. consequences dont seem to bother him at all sometimes he actually laughs at me. im constantly waiting for the next explosion and thats not normal is it.

and I know I have to say this because otherwise people will probably wonder. I gave him far too much screen time when he was younger. hours of gaming and youtube and whatever he wanted really. I let him stay up late far too often and if he wouldnt come off the xbox I would sometimes just leave him because I knew the argument would turn into a massive two hour screaming match. when he didnt want to go to school when he was younger I sometimes let him stay home just to keep the peace. homework showering coming off screens going to bed there were so many times I just gave up. if he was screaming and the other kids were trying to sleep I would say fine just have it its not worth the row. I told myself I was picking my battles but looking back I wasnt really setting boundaries properly at all.

there was alot going on in our lives at the time as well and I dont want that to sound like an excuse. I was in an abusive relationship and when I left we ended up homeless and in temporary accommodation and it was just one thing after another with housing and money and work and trying to keep everybody ok. DS had to start secondary school in a completely new area and everything around him had changed. I was basically thinking get everyone fed get everyone somewhere safe and get through the day. I dont think I was thinking about whether I was being consistent or doing everything perfectly I was just exhausted. maybe I felt sorry for him as well because he had already lost so much and I didnt want to make things harder.

school has got worse and worse as well. when he was first having problems I actually challenged the school alot because I thought they were being too harsh with him and didnt understand what was going on. I questioned sanctions and detentions and anything I thought was unfair and I defended him in meetings because at the time I genuinely thought I was doing the right thing. now he refuses to go properly and hes barely attending and im in the shit with attendance because I cant physically drag a 15 year old boy through the school gates. he lies in school meetings as well and says things didnt happen or that ive said things I havent said and then sits there acting like im the one making it up. ive tried taking the ps5 his phone being calm shouting ignoring him rewards consequences everything I can think of and none of it lasts. if I push too hard it can turn into another massive row and sometimes things get broken. I feel like ive lost control completely.

the thing I cant get out of my head is that I think I taught him that this works. if he refuses something I eventually stop asking. if he screams loud enough I give in. if hes had a terrible day and then wants something sometimes I give it to him because I just want the house quiet. ive bought him things after rows given him extra playstation time let things go that I shouldnt have and sometimes allowed him to stay home when he should have gone to school because I couldnt face the battle. I wasnt deliberately spoiling him I was surviving and trying to keep the peace but I can see now that he may have learnt that if he pushes hard enough I will back down. I honestly feel sick thinking about it because how do you undo years of that.

and then today happened. he was angry with me about something and came towards me and pushed me hard backwards into the cupboard. it wasnt him brushing past me or accidentally knocking me he pushed me and I went backwards into it. I was shocked more than anything and then he just went upstairs put his headset on and then hes gone out like nothing has happened. no sorry nothing just carried on with his evening as if he hadnt pushed me at all. somehow that has frightened me more than the actual push because it was as though it was completely ordinary to him. ive been sitting here thinking he doesnt seem to understand where the normal boundaries are anymore. I dont know when that happened or how much of that is down to me.

I think ive fucked him up completely

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Cookiecrumblepie · Yesterday 22:24

Disconnect the power so he can’t game. Don’t prepare meals or look after him other than the bare basics. Then he will learn consequences. Take back control, he is a child.

Minasama · Yesterday 22:32

I am so sorry to read this OP. I think bringing up a difficult child, especially a son, without the physical presence of a man in the house is really, really hard. I’d argue you didn’t mess him up, but the absent dad is very culpable.

I guess it’s a question of what to do now.
Obviously you can talk to him but does he have a decent male relative that he gets along with who can talk to him and give the message that hitting women, especially his mum, is never ok?
What consequences can there be for his behaviour? There needs to be something.

NormasArse · Yesterday 22:33

Cookiecrumblepie · Yesterday 22:24

Disconnect the power so he can’t game. Don’t prepare meals or look after him other than the bare basics. Then he will learn consequences. Take back control, he is a child.

That’s really easy to say, and would probably work if support was in place, but he will kick off, and it sounds like the OP is a single parent with younger children in the house.

Having said that, I don’t know what the solution would be.

dontknow00 · Yesterday 22:35

Cookiecrumblepie · Yesterday 22:24

Disconnect the power so he can’t game. Don’t prepare meals or look after him other than the bare basics. Then he will learn consequences. Take back control, he is a child.

i cant do that

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Holdinguphalfthesky · Yesterday 22:41

School could probably refer you to Early Help, family support or whatever you have in your area. I’d start with his head of year/head of house and ask them to help you.

It’s that or police at this point. Shoving someone is common assault and if you injure them (bruises etc) it might be more than that - aggravated maybe? Maybe they could give him a fright.

Good luck, you’ve obviously had a hard time.

MsAmerica · Yesterday 22:44

You may have created a problem by being too lax/forgiving/non-judgemental, but he's only 15, so you still have time to step in.
So, where can you turn for some advice and support?

dontknow00 · Yesterday 22:56

Minasama · Yesterday 22:32

I am so sorry to read this OP. I think bringing up a difficult child, especially a son, without the physical presence of a man in the house is really, really hard. I’d argue you didn’t mess him up, but the absent dad is very culpable.

I guess it’s a question of what to do now.
Obviously you can talk to him but does he have a decent male relative that he gets along with who can talk to him and give the message that hitting women, especially his mum, is never ok?
What consequences can there be for his behaviour? There needs to be something.

there’s no one

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dontknow00 · Yesterday 23:08

bump

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Funkyfoxy · Yesterday 23:15

Well if ever a hard line needs drawing it's now as this will happen again. Don't be afraid to call the police either. He needs some rules in place. Maybe when he's calm explain why you need the rules and agree them together. If he wants money he has to earn it etc. if he wants time on his games he has to earn it. You really need a way to take back control

MyArtfulGreySloth · Yesterday 23:15

Why can’t you take the consoles away?

VividPinkTraybake · Yesterday 23:19

NormasArse · Yesterday 22:33

That’s really easy to say, and would probably work if support was in place, but he will kick off, and it sounds like the OP is a single parent with younger children in the house.

Having said that, I don’t know what the solution would be.

This is why this is genuinely rhe worst place to ask for advice with anything , too much glib, easy advice like disconnecting the power. I don't have the answer but I know that isn't it

Pinkflamingo10 · Yesterday 23:19

My sons have a Nintendo -I’ve set the parental controls to switch it off at 6pm every evening. Does his games console have that facility? Or you could switch off all the WiFi at night?
have you asked the school or the local council for parenting support ? Can your GP refer you for family counselling / anger management ?
there’s a lot of blaming yourself here but you are the parent who is still present and showing up for your children every day. Has your son experienced or seen domestic violence and is repeating behaviours? Is he playing violent 18+ rated games when gaming?
can you take his phone for a few weeks as a consequence for this behaviour?

Chunkybabythighs · Yesterday 23:20

dontknow00 · Yesterday 22:35

i cant do that

....why?

dontknow00 · Yesterday 23:22

turning the wifi off would just make him aggressive and my younger children would be scared and its not fair on them
theyd also be punished with no wifi

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cauliflowercheesey · Yesterday 23:26

The answer here isn’t turning off the wifi.
He needs good male role models, and a sense of purpose.

Would he consider going to army Cadets? Lots of men and testosterone, but modelling discipline and respect, alongside macho credentials. He might take to it?

Sundaynightterrors · Yesterday 23:27

it sounds as though you have both been through a lot and you have over compensated in the wrong ways. Parenting is hard and children need real consistency and to know that no matter how much they moan and whinge that you won’t give in. This how they learn that you mean what you say. Never say something that you cannot or do not implement.

getting the ground back now will be tough. Has your DS had any form of counselling or therapy to help him work through some of his child hood experiences- DV, being homeless, having to leave friends etc behind? Have you looked at any teenage parenting sessions? You could approach school and ask about an Early Help / Support or sign posting to local support services. It sounds as though he is very angry about things that have happen that he has had not been able to control.

Wannabemornighmum · Yesterday 23:28

Op does he ever talk to you? Do ye ever have any good times together? When you argue is it about huge things or tiny things? Are you angry or on edge too? I don’t think family controls will act at his age, age 16 the family link handed over full ‘power’ to my dses! I will say I sometimes sit in on my kids gaming or watching YouTube. I will be on my phone so I don’t look like I’m trying to be in with them but I will laugh or ask questions sometimes, not to be their friend but just to be in their stratosphere!

I will say something my friend said to me when I was telling her why I thought ds1 was a fussy eater. She said I assumed everyone else did it all differently but maybe sometimes other people are just luckier!

Oo I know two angry lads not angry anymore (to the extent they were. One for actual anger management classes while his mum did parenting classes. They both talked to each other the way you see in movies but it worked- he went from smashing stuff up, always shouting and cursing and telling his mum he hated her to them having a really good relationship). Other little lad just grew out of it

SpryCat · Yesterday 23:28

Chunkybabythighs · Yesterday 23:20

....why?

OP can’t do it because her 15 year old son is ruling the roost with aggression, assaulting her, shouting to stop his siblings from sleeping and smashing things.
He is going the same way as his father, you need to call the police when he gets violent and involve social services as you and your younger children will be living in fear of him soon. He has had a lot of trauma and changes in his life that was out of his control but he’s at an age he can refuse any help and needs to understand that his actions are totally unacceptable.

SpryCat · Yesterday 23:45

I would talk to him tomorrow when it’s calmer and tell him he is out of control. That you understand life has been traumatic with his dad, being homeless and leaving his friends behind but you had no choice. It was either stay and be in danger or leave and his aggression is like his dads. You can’t force him to go for help with his anger and frustration but you won’t allow him to use his strength and anger against you or his siblings. That you will be calling the police next time he becomes violent and getting in touch with social services.

hotmumshit · Today 00:02

What did social services say when you contacted them op?

Sorry xx

BlackeyedSusan · Today 00:12

Oh God, 15 was bad. Hang on in there! Asking them to tell you how their actions might make others feel seemed to work to some extent.

Possibly boxing training or similar disciplined sport.

Sports coach got the revision kick started.

Choosing which hills to die on.

Mine's autistic. Also single parent due to DV. Which does not help at all.

Praised when showing any restraint, good behaviour.

Trying to take interest in their stuff. I know how to get my guard up now and some exercises!

We talk politics, but I'm careful to try and remain neutral as possible and accept their opinions on things and listen to why they think that.

They can be these massive angry balls of testosterone but are often sensitive little flowers with the restraint of a toddler. All that brain rewiring making life difficult for them and everyone else in the vicinity. It feels awful at the time.

Maray1967 · Today 00:17

I would have called the police for the sake of the younger DC. He is dangerously out of control. What are you going to do if he slams one of his siblings into a cupboard?

Call the police.

BibbityBoppityTwo · Today 00:28

Boys who witnessed abusive behaviour from. men towards women in childhood are more likely to repeat that behaviour when they are older. His behaviour is escalating and for the sake of his future, I think you do need to seek urgent help. It’s also going to be harmful for his siblings to witness this.

I haven’t seen you respond to suggestions of referrals from your GP or school. Is there a reason for this? I would urge you not to put off addressing this out of shame or whatever other reason might be holding you back. He is learning that it is OK to be abusive towards women and there is no reason to think he won’t carry this into his future relationships. This is when he will really mess up his own life and the lives of others. If you seek early intervention now there are pathways to addressing this.

I don’t mean to be depressing, but I worry that the same avoidance that made you not create boundaries early on is now stopping you from seeking external help.

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