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AIBU to think Burnham’s words may haunt his premiership?

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Greyrock79 · 10/09/2026 07:16

To think that Burnham’s words are going to haunt his premiership?

‘…national security can’t come at the expense of social security…’

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RedToothBrush · 12/09/2026 17:18

Diesel. Gas. Oil

Three words that may derail any plans Burnham has and any noble intentions he may hold.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 12/09/2026 17:44

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 15:35

Is it fair to assume those unbothered by these massive donations are Reform supporters?

Of course if they’re legal then it’s part of the system, and one of the donors made the point that Reform are spending time fundraising when - in his view - they should be preparing for government. If you support a party and have the money to fund them then that’s very sensible position. I think he overestimates how much Nigel wants the job of PM, which would require more commitment and energy for public service than he actually has.

I do think that very large donations from individuals creates a difficult relationship though. People here constantly snipe about what the unions will ‘allow’ a Labour PM to do. Presumably they’ll have the same concerns about the influence two individuals (one of whom doesn’t live here, one of whom has just come back) will have on any Reform govt.

Im not a Reform supporter. Im a Conservative. I wish the Conservatives had these mega donations. But its a free country and as long as everything is open I can't get too hyped up. And I do think Labour with their tied-in income from the unions have had it too much their way for so long.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 12/09/2026 17:46

5128gap · 12/09/2026 14:38

Unions are collectives, open to anyone who wants to join them. Anyone worried about the direction they may influence Labour in has the option to join the union and influence its direction.
A hugely wealthy donor like this is just one man. So any influence he exerts on Reform will be his alone. No way in for anyone else.

But to join a union means you are having to support Labour financially even if you don't want to. If you are right wing theres no way you can "influence its direction" by joining a union. And Labour (to coincide a phrase) are still far too in hock to the unions at the moment.

Greyrock79 · 12/09/2026 17:53

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 16:58

Quite, which is why very large donations raises concerns, and should even for supporters of the receiving party. Are their interests aligned with the donors, will their needs as taxpayers and citizens who are resident in this country be prioritised above those of the donors?

Reform have already said they would seek to punish Green voters for example, by hosing asylum seekers in Green supporting areas. Obviously whether you consider that a punishment or not varies! But what should non Reform supporters expect from controlling donors like this?

Hmm, and yet Labour planned to house immigrants in more ‘middle class’ areas.

Speaking of punishment, Labour have punished many groups - groups which would not have ordinarily vote for them.

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BrandiedAromatics · 12/09/2026 17:54

Pineneedlesincarpet · 12/09/2026 17:46

But to join a union means you are having to support Labour financially even if you don't want to. If you are right wing theres no way you can "influence its direction" by joining a union. And Labour (to coincide a phrase) are still far too in hock to the unions at the moment.

One of the reasons you had sub-postmasters so let down by the Post Office is that they did not have proper union representation. Their union had been downgraded to a trade association and was far too cosy with the PO to provide support to those needing it. We know what happened.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 12/09/2026 18:03

BrandiedAromatics · 12/09/2026 17:54

One of the reasons you had sub-postmasters so let down by the Post Office is that they did not have proper union representation. Their union had been downgraded to a trade association and was far too cosy with the PO to provide support to those needing it. We know what happened.

No the reason they were let down was that the management were criminally inept.

Anyway this is not a discussion about the pros and cons of union membership. This is a discussion about political donations and what is fair. And whether its fair to have political donations from special interests such as the unions or C currency billionaires.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 18:10

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 16:58

Quite, which is why very large donations raises concerns, and should even for supporters of the receiving party. Are their interests aligned with the donors, will their needs as taxpayers and citizens who are resident in this country be prioritised above those of the donors?

Reform have already said they would seek to punish Green voters for example, by hosing asylum seekers in Green supporting areas. Obviously whether you consider that a punishment or not varies! But what should non Reform supporters expect from controlling donors like this?

What do you think of Labour moving the accommodation to mc areas?

CoventryCity · 12/09/2026 18:13

https://news.sky.com/story/why-did-burnham-choose-israel-for-his-biggest-moment-yet-13584101

Why did Burnham choose Israel for his biggest moment yet?

Votes. Muslim votes. Labour use Muslims like they do all BAME people. No need for a fake show.

CoventryCity · 12/09/2026 18:15

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 18:10

What do you think of Labour moving the accommodation to mc areas?

I know you didn't ask me @EasternStandard , but I think it's a brilliant idea. Next one needs to be in Cheshire, in his old village. Loads of HMOs please.

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 18:23

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 18:10

What do you think of Labour moving the accommodation to mc areas?

I’ve no opinion on that, though I don’t know that I’d describe them as middle class areas. The unused barracks are mainly in fairly rural
spots, no-one is targeting middle class areas.

I live quite close to a large asylum accommodation centre. It doesn’t bother me.

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 18:24

CoventryCity · 12/09/2026 18:13

https://news.sky.com/story/why-did-burnham-choose-israel-for-his-biggest-moment-yet-13584101

Why did Burnham choose Israel for his biggest moment yet?

Votes. Muslim votes. Labour use Muslims like they do all BAME people. No need for a fake show.

Do you think only Muslims care about ethnic cleansing?

justasking111 · 12/09/2026 18:26

Pineneedlesincarpet · 12/09/2026 17:44

Im not a Reform supporter. Im a Conservative. I wish the Conservatives had these mega donations. But its a free country and as long as everything is open I can't get too hyped up. And I do think Labour with their tied-in income from the unions have had it too much their way for so long.

I recall years ago the conservatives did get bigger donations from very wealthy men. Who I suspect moved their money, companies offshore years ago because their party went wishy-washy.

Ordinary members quit, no more fundraising around here anyway. I once bought some lovely marmalades and jams from my neighbours who invited me to an afternoon tea, nibbles and things for sale.

I don't think that the unions are donating as much these days or their membership is as large in the labour party.

I suspect many are fed up or disinterested in politics these days in the two largest parties.

The greens may have a lot of grass root supporters who will knock on doors, deliver leaflets and actually talk to people.

Reform certainly do here. They visit country fairs/shows . Our charity had a stand and marquee next to Reform and it was very busy. Their kettle was on all day.

InterestedDad37 · 12/09/2026 18:29

curious79 · 10/09/2026 07:22

I think the fact that no one even voted him to lead the party let alone lead the country is the only haunting he needs.

(please ignore - I misread your post)

NorthXNorthWest · 12/09/2026 18:32

Ethnic cleansing and tit-for-tat fucking over of more areas by hosting loads of HMOs and asylum seekers.

I can't quite put my finger on why this country is racing down the fast lane on a highway to hell.

CoventryCity · 12/09/2026 18:33

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 18:24

Do you think only Muslims care about ethnic cleansing?

No. I know loads of white British people do too.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 18:42

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 18:23

I’ve no opinion on that, though I don’t know that I’d describe them as middle class areas. The unused barracks are mainly in fairly rural
spots, no-one is targeting middle class areas.

I live quite close to a large asylum accommodation centre. It doesn’t bother me.

Piddington doesn’t feel that way.

But it’s interesting you switch from earlier view on one party doing it to another. Punishment for one, no view on the other.

LuckyHazelFox · 12/09/2026 18:45

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 18:42

Piddington doesn’t feel that way.

But it’s interesting you switch from earlier view on one party doing it to another. Punishment for one, no view on the other.

Good on the women of Piddington to be taking a stand. Who better to listen to than the vulnerable women who are being put at risk in Burnham's reshuffle of towns expected to carry the burden.

CoventryCity · 12/09/2026 18:51

LuckyHazelFox · 12/09/2026 18:45

Good on the women of Piddington to be taking a stand. Who better to listen to than the vulnerable women who are being put at risk in Burnham's reshuffle of towns expected to carry the burden.

But as we all know, Labour don't give a fck about women. Perhaps the men should have taken the stand. But I suppose they'd have been called far right thugs. Tricky.

justasking111 · 12/09/2026 19:05

CoventryCity · 12/09/2026 18:51

But as we all know, Labour don't give a fck about women. Perhaps the men should have taken the stand. But I suppose they'd have been called far right thugs. Tricky.

Men would be arrested and charged. I read that the women have written to every female MP with their concerns

CoventryCity · 12/09/2026 19:08

Ps @Switchnow The original Hamas Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and described its members to be god-fearing Muslims raising the banner of Jihad (armed struggle) in "the face of the oppressors". The 1988 charter defines the struggle to be against the Jews and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in all of former Mandatory Palestine, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.

Hamas genocidal intentions. Written down clear as day. Can't think why Israel don't feel comfortable

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 20:23

CoventryCity · 12/09/2026 18:33

No. I know loads of white British people do too.

Then why say the Israel statement was for Muslim votes?

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 20:24

CoventryCity · 12/09/2026 19:08

Ps @Switchnow The original Hamas Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and described its members to be god-fearing Muslims raising the banner of Jihad (armed struggle) in "the face of the oppressors". The 1988 charter defines the struggle to be against the Jews and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in all of former Mandatory Palestine, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.

Hamas genocidal intentions. Written down clear as day. Can't think why Israel don't feel comfortable

Yes, we know. Are uou one of those people who thinks criticism of the Israeli government is a defence of Hamas, a terrorist organisation?

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 20:27

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 18:42

Piddington doesn’t feel that way.

But it’s interesting you switch from earlier view on one party doing it to another. Punishment for one, no view on the other.

I’m sure the people of Piddington don’t share all of my concerns either.

I didn’t say I thought it was a punishment, you must be confusing me with Reform.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 20:34

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 20:27

I’m sure the people of Piddington don’t share all of my concerns either.

I didn’t say I thought it was a punishment, you must be confusing me with Reform.

So it’s not a punishment if they put accommodation in Green areas?

Switchnow · 12/09/2026 20:54

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 20:34

So it’s not a punishment if they put accommodation in Green areas?

Who said it was?

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