Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

[Hippodrome]

As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

@Hippodrome I was at school in the 80s and 90s. People assumed I was a boy. Very tall. Buzz cut hair. Studied "boy" subjects. I hated being a girl.

I would have no doubt been one of those kids pushed into changing gender with hormones.

But then I figured out that gender isn't important. It's based in stereotypes. Misogynistic crap. I learned to be comfortable just being me.

I'm a person. Human. We shouldn't have to live in a society where people are treated differently.

We should be stamping out misogynistic views rather than people feeling them have to change to belong.

Different should be seen as normal. Everyone is different. That's a good thing.

No religion or group should be permitted that treat men and women differently. Or any group that treats anyone of protected characteristics differently.

People should have to change to belong.

I wondered why Id seen so many young people from the more alternative crowd walking with sticks recently.

Was going to say that. Know of non-binary children (usually girls) but dont know any trans. There are none in my DCs massive secondary school.

I was slaughtered on here back in the day for saying it was a stupid trend. Guess I was right after all.

I have skin in the game.

DD is non-binary in mid-20s. Started after first Covid lockdown/coincided w starting uni in 2020. Mental health was through the floor.

For the most part now I ignore it and hope it never goes any further (ie mastectomy). Impossible to have rational discussion.

She’s the whole package - n/b, lesbian, v left wing, nose ring, unshaven 🤢 to the underarm hair, tattoos, poor mental health and probably ND (waiting for full diagnosis), unconventional to the extreme.

We are middle-class, I wouldn’t say we were ‘gentle’ parents though, we were quite pushy in that they were educated well (both clever anyway), but still went to state schools.

I was actually chatting to my DS yesterday about it all (he’s a bit younger and not trans 🙏 and straight for context ), he’s supportive of DD and uses ‘they’ pronouns, I don’t use any 😂 but I started talking about female sports/spaces and he got where I was coming from. DD would just say ‘trans women are women’ - no sympathy for a traumatised women in a shelter.

I’m not sure about the younger generation but I think covid had a lot to answer for, being stuck in their rooms, living in an online echo chamber, their MH going down the toilet.

I actually have more ‘respect’ for young trans kids who’ve never been exposed to SM (so about 4/5) who want to be the other gender, then I tend more to think they’re the minority and really were ‘born in the wrong body’. I know if one such child, actually saw them recently and know that the parents weren’t on board at the start so it didn’t come from them.

i would love to see it wane, then maybe older trans people would desist. Obv as adults people can do what they want w their bodies, but children 100% need to be protected. I do wonder what the incidence of trans it amongst the ND vs NT communities. Would earlier diagnoses of autism lead to fewer trans children as their differences would be understood/them not think being the other gender could help them?

There's one kid at my children's primary who is trans. He was rebranded as a girl at the start of y1 aged 5. They are in y6 and aged 10 now. I just feel really sorry for him and quite sad that his parents have failed him in this way. They changed the rules for the whole school re getting changed for PE so they didn't have to deal with where he changes. Now they go in wearing their kit and stay in it for the whole day twice a week. Before the girls changed in one classroom and the boys in another. I suspect puberty blockers are in his near future.

I hope and pray the trend is over.

I really like your last paragraph. No one should be allowed to treat anyone differently in the name of religion.

The mtf I knew was in foster care. As a sensible parent you’re going to push back against it as much as you can but most foster parents it’s probably a lot easier to just “affirm” and make yourself look good. It’s really sad that so many affected by this had no adult willing to fight for them

I've had blue hair for decades and very much straight thanks😆

It's definitely not over. Working in social work I see a good number come through the doors though of course none of them are on puberty blockers which is a very positive change. My DSD is teetering on the cusp, wearing trans colours as well as the rainbow and the bi colours, she has a pin badge on her school bag saying she/they but so far has not said anything to us. She goes to one of the worst schools in Brighton for this shit and it's still trendy there within a certain demographic (autistic, socially awkward and/or genuinely LGB)

I do feel for the kids who have been on cross sex hormones and even have been castrated or had mastectomies before they reached adulthood. Child abuse and mutilation, pure and simple.

Yeah culture around it’s definitely changed. You werent allowed to question it at all a few years back.
While you can now I’ve actually seen a little gaslighting around it online, when someone talks about knowing kids who were on puberty blockers as young teens or pre teens someone will come along and say “that literally never happened”

It was a ‘fashion’. I certainly know of one who declared herself trans because - I am quite sure - it was a) fashionable and b) she knew it would piss her parents off.

Of course she was a spoilt, entitled little madam anyway.

What do you mean they get their own room or animal??

My dc has one (actually several) of those.

she does use a wheelchair.

there’s a trend for blinging up disability stuff - wheelchairs, sticks etc. her last wheelchair was purple

Could you expand on this. Truly shocked.

A lot of people have had their livelihoods, reputations and in some cases, their sanity, for essentially saying the same thing.

Such an insidious ideology and just deeply worrying how quickly people and organisations were swept up in such an absurd and unscientific premise just to be seen to be “right on”.

That dreadful father transitioned that poor child to pay his own bills. The mother just sat back and let it happen, happy as long as she had her designers items Shameful.

I think we will see lots of kids in vlogging families speaking up soon about what they were made to do and I hope Eduardo is one of them.

Unfortunately I know of one person (ftm )who had top surgery as soon as they turned 18. They are now detransitioning and about to have implants surgery and in a relationship with a male... we all tried to get them to just wait before doing anything irreversible.. whilst accepting of them in all other areas.
They won't talk about it now..
And yes they are autistic.

I think its a huge indication of it being a trend, rather than anything else: as I said, my son's school doesn't have many trans children, maybe one or two in the Y10-11 but none in younger years. The reason - I think because of the catchment most of the kids are from North African, Turkish and Albanian families and its simply never been a "thing" among them. The only trans kids are white middle class children - English or west Europe.

Raging about what? Raging about young people who were caught up in this mess? Raging about people who are now regretting getting surgery/puberty blockers?
You do know that because they raged they shed light on this issue? I would suggest that the raging was a very very good thing..

I fear it’s still going strong but pray it ends before my DD starts university in a couple of years. She is lesbian and autistic and so far hasn’t been captured by trans ideology. She does have one ftm trans friend who seems to be very dedicated. We live in a very poor diverse area. One of the few positives is that the mainly conservative religious population would kick off if the school came on strong with trans ideology. I think it’s still strong in middle class areas.

Calm down 😂 where did I say it wasn’t. Point proven

My mind set is that I don't care what others think, so I wasn't bothered when people piled on me for my it's a stupid trend views.
It's the sheep mentality that would be laughable if it wasn't so stupid and inane.
There are a lot of messed up kids as a result of this stupidity and some parents who are abusive for encouraging it.

I know someone FTM who has just graduated from uni (22) who is autistic. They have quite a few friends at uni who are also autistic and are trans (FTM). Sadly they have already started taking testosterone unbeknown to parents while at uni. I do think it’s so common for autistic young people who feel they don’t fit in to go this route and I think it’s only going to cause them more problems down the line.