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AIBU to want spending cuts rather than more tax rises?

333 replies

PinkFruitbat · Today 10:07

The foundations are being laid for more tax rises in the October Budget.

https://www.ft.com/content/6d43b599-3d7c-471c-88c2-0f056475a840?syn-25a6b1a6=1

AIBU to ask for savings in spending to help balance the budget rather than more taxes.

With welfare spending at nearly £1bn each day, when is enough, enough?

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HostaCentral · Today 15:56

We still haven't got rid of the thousands of extra civil servants recruited during COVID. What are they all still doing?

Reduce the Lords. Remove Clerics of all flavours.

We need to reduce the total amount a family can claim, per family. None of these multiples of various benefits for each family member leading to huge way above median salaries for doing nothing.

NHS...... Now has more money than ever before, and still has not improved productivity. There are so many great advances in medicine, but the care is still shite.

Too many citizens are net takers. Pretty much noone has paid enough tax in their lifetime to cover their health, welfare, benefits, pensions etc

We could be radical and REDUCE the tax free element of pay so each citizen is contributing something. Works in the Nordics.

Flat tax rate for all.

Replace council tax with poll tax. Interestingly this is becoming the more popular option despite it's historical link to Thatcher.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 15:58

EasternStandard · Today 15:55

One day those emojis will go down the gurgler with the current lot in power.

Haha!!

ThingsAreNotWhatTheyWere · Today 15:58

Fizzink38 · Today 15:48

Thank you for your care and concern.
Possibly you missed the bit about the brain tumour.
But hey, why worry about empathy and compassion, right?
'Are there no prisons, are there no workhouses?'
So long as you can impoverish people you think are beneath you; the vulnerable, the sick, the mentally ill, the refugees, the elderly - what an interesting society you want to live in. Reminds me of something...

This response made my eyebrows and hackles rise, too. I'm sorry to hear of your health problems and hope you are getting more support in real life (as someone with my own health problems, I'm pleased to say that I've generally still found people to be kinder and more supportive in real life than you might think from what you can read online).

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:01

Fizzink38 · Today 15:48

Thank you for your care and concern.
Possibly you missed the bit about the brain tumour.
But hey, why worry about empathy and compassion, right?
'Are there no prisons, are there no workhouses?'
So long as you can impoverish people you think are beneath you; the vulnerable, the sick, the mentally ill, the refugees, the elderly - what an interesting society you want to live in. Reminds me of something...

Welfare is out of control. Someone needs to get a grip.

https://data.spectator.co.uk/welfare

Welfare

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https://data.spectator.co.uk/welfare

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Velumental · Today 16:03

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:01

Welfare is out of control. Someone needs to get a grip.

https://data.spectator.co.uk/welfare

Your lack of education is the only thing you can change.

Velumental · Today 16:04

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:01

Welfare is out of control. Someone needs to get a grip.

https://data.spectator.co.uk/welfare

Could you do me a favor and Google when UC was introduced and what it replace is? Then have a wee look back at the graph and have a think about its validity

Velumental · Today 16:06

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:01

Welfare is out of control. Someone needs to get a grip.

https://data.spectator.co.uk/welfare

Also on 2000 the UK population was 59 million, it's currently 69 million. Now if you could work out for me what percentage are out for work now versus then... You may get yourself less in a twist

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:06

Velumental · Today 15:54

The problem you have seems to be that you are entirely uneducated yourself. I'd spend time arguing with you but it would be like arguing with a block of metal. Not a lot would go in. Your complete lack of understanding of economics, the people around you and the costs versus return of policing PIP in this way mena your opinion is thankfully a worthless nonsense anyway

by all means disagree with my position but no need for the personal insults.

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Velumental · Today 16:07

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:06

by all means disagree with my position but no need for the personal insults.

The insults are not personal, they are specifically levelled at the lack of education and understanding on which you are basing your ridiculous opinion. It's no that I'm disagreeing it's that it's clear you have no understanding of the situation. Have you had any formal education?

Badbadbunny · Today 16:09

Velumental · Today 15:35

If he hasn't been on the medication what would the likely prognosis for his cancer have been? Many people are on many medications longer than is safe because it's that or the original disease runs rampant and they die.

Everything says that 2 years is the maximum. It was just a cock up.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:09

Velumental · Today 16:07

The insults are not personal, they are specifically levelled at the lack of education and understanding on which you are basing your ridiculous opinion. It's no that I'm disagreeing it's that it's clear you have no understanding of the situation. Have you had any formal education?

Yes you are being personal. You don't know that poster's educational achievements. Fancy sharing yours or would you prefer to keep personal information - personal?

Velumental · Today 16:10

Badbadbunny · Today 16:09

Everything says that 2 years is the maximum. It was just a cock up.

And his cancer prognosis? Without the drug? Did it help his cancer at all?

Monty36 · Today 16:10

PinkFruitbat · Today 15:52

Yes in person PIP reviews would cost money to administer. But will likely recover a good portion weeding out all the fakers who claim it.

There is no child poverty in the UK.

If you are fit and able to work, but choose not to and milk benefits; then yes you need a kick up the arse into work. Community service, care for the elderly, British Army. Plenty of work out there….

You have swallowed up the rhetoric.

There is no child poverty.
There most certainly is.

TigerRag · Today 16:10

PinkFruitbat · Today 15:52

Yes in person PIP reviews would cost money to administer. But will likely recover a good portion weeding out all the fakers who claim it.

There is no child poverty in the UK.

If you are fit and able to work, but choose not to and milk benefits; then yes you need a kick up the arse into work. Community service, care for the elderly, British Army. Plenty of work out there….

Bahahaha. Are you serious? They told me I'd been curred of my hearing loss which is physically impossible, asked what one of my diagnoses was, told me it wasn't that bad and that I don't need the therapy I'd been referred for, told me there's no medical reason why I'm unable to drive, aside from failing every single flipping eye test I've ever done. She actually told me the evidence from my medically trained consultant and doctors who have assessed me properly and have access to my medical records, was fabricated. Neither my GP or consultant have reasons to lie

I'm guessing you're lucky enough not to have gone through the bullshit they call an assessment?

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:10

Velumental · Today 16:07

The insults are not personal, they are specifically levelled at the lack of education and understanding on which you are basing your ridiculous opinion. It's no that I'm disagreeing it's that it's clear you have no understanding of the situation. Have you had any formal education?

Yes thank you I have a PhD in engineering.

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Velumental · Today 16:11

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:09

Yes you are being personal. You don't know that poster's educational achievements. Fancy sharing yours or would you prefer to keep personal information - personal?

I would be very surprised if someone could suggest such economic policy changes if they had any education beyond bare minimum GCSEs

Badbadbunny · Today 16:11

HostaCentral · Today 15:56

We still haven't got rid of the thousands of extra civil servants recruited during COVID. What are they all still doing?

Reduce the Lords. Remove Clerics of all flavours.

We need to reduce the total amount a family can claim, per family. None of these multiples of various benefits for each family member leading to huge way above median salaries for doing nothing.

NHS...... Now has more money than ever before, and still has not improved productivity. There are so many great advances in medicine, but the care is still shite.

Too many citizens are net takers. Pretty much noone has paid enough tax in their lifetime to cover their health, welfare, benefits, pensions etc

We could be radical and REDUCE the tax free element of pay so each citizen is contributing something. Works in the Nordics.

Flat tax rate for all.

Replace council tax with poll tax. Interestingly this is becoming the more popular option despite it's historical link to Thatcher.

Agree with all that.

Badbadbunny · Today 16:12

Velumental · Today 16:10

And his cancer prognosis? Without the drug? Did it help his cancer at all?

The cancer treatment plan itself says this particular drug is limited to two years. It was a cock up by the haematologist, even the orthopaedic surgeon couldn't believe he'd been on it so long.

Pluto46 · Today 16:13

lippylip · Today 15:36

What a bizarre assumption @Pluto46why would you think that?

Its the sort of reaction that might typically be expected from someone that isn't approaching the end of their career, having paid tax from16 to 65 and that doesn't have the benefit of a public sector pension. If that does not apply to you and you are approaching retirement and have still strived to save a little extra for later life, and future care, then you might not be so cavalier with your altruism

Badbadbunny · Today 16:13

Goodengine · Today 15:42

Slash the quangos! They currently cost the taxpayer over £300 billion a year !!!

And probably responsible for most of the delays, inefficiency, etc., Politicians have been promising a "bonfire of the quangoes" for decades, but it's just not happened. If anything we have more, all soaking up cash and causing obstacles and delays.

Velumental · Today 16:14

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:10

Yes thank you I have a PhD in engineering.

I don't believe that for a second.

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:14

TigerRag · Today 16:10

Bahahaha. Are you serious? They told me I'd been curred of my hearing loss which is physically impossible, asked what one of my diagnoses was, told me it wasn't that bad and that I don't need the therapy I'd been referred for, told me there's no medical reason why I'm unable to drive, aside from failing every single flipping eye test I've ever done. She actually told me the evidence from my medically trained consultant and doctors who have assessed me properly and have access to my medical records, was fabricated. Neither my GP or consultant have reasons to lie

I'm guessing you're lucky enough not to have gone through the bullshit they call an assessment?

Well my immediate thoughts are something like gardening and horticulture as a potentially suitable form of employment.

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LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:14

Velumental · Today 16:11

I would be very surprised if someone could suggest such economic policy changes if they had any education beyond bare minimum GCSEs

Your personal insults don't give you more leverage. Class comes in a variety of forms.

Velumental · Today 16:14

Badbadbunny · Today 16:12

The cancer treatment plan itself says this particular drug is limited to two years. It was a cock up by the haematologist, even the orthopaedic surgeon couldn't believe he'd been on it so long.

But his cancer prognosis? Was it the only available treatment remaining to prolong life?

TigerRag · Today 16:15

PinkFruitbat · Today 16:14

Well my immediate thoughts are something like gardening and horticulture as a potentially suitable form of employment.

But you can claim pip and work