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Have I clipped DH wings and been unreasonable about social events?

186 replies

ShedNine · Today 10:46

When we met 15 years ago, DH was very sociable, particularly around work events. After DD was born his attendance at those events became more sporadic; he attended fewer and generally left after an hour or so. I should add these aren’t casual post-work drinks, they’re usually client or internal social events.

DD is now 7, so we’re on a much more even keel childcare wise, so there is the opportunity for him to go to more and stay later.

Earlier this week there was a work event. Attended by everyone. He left after two drinks, and came home. I said he could have stayed longer and he said it “wasn’t fair” to do so. I asked if anyone else had left early and he said no.

We then got talking about other events, and I asked if a date had been set for the Christmas Party. He said there had but he wouldn’t be attending. I asked why and he said “to be honest, I can’t really relax at these things any more and it’s best I just don’t go”. I asked him what he meant he referenced the previous year when he’d been out until midnight, and I’d (admittedly) sent him a message telling him that he didn’t give a shit about his family because we had things to do the following day.

On that occasion, he pointed out that he’d stopped drinking at 8:30 and he was perfectly fine the following day (he was), and he had just wanted to stay out and network / get to know some of his senior colleagues better. He says he just doesn’t know what he should or shouldn’t do and so to avoid problems he’s just not going to attend.

I now feel awful, like I’ve clipped his wings. He never said anything last Christmas, he just apologised. He won’t change his mind about the Christmas party.

AIBU?

I should add, tor context, I attend work events and other social events and DH has never raised any issue with me, even when they have gone on later than expected and I’ve had a few too many. Which makes me feel even worse.

OP posts:
Ablondiebutagoody · Today 11:24

Jesus, what a wimp. You have now totally dominated him like you wanted.

Moonnstarz · Today 11:25

Although this is only one message I imagine there were others about any plans he had or a fuss was made at home about being left to do childcare or him being selfish going out.

I think OP needs to consider what message she gave him over the years as I expect it has built up and is more than just this text that has led to the reluctance to go out.

MrsPinkSky · Today 11:25

AbsintheMakesTheHeartGrowFonder · Today 11:22

LOL. They do. Plenty of abusive/controlling people know that they are abusive but either can't or won't stop. Some of them don't realise until it's pointed out to them and do work on their behaviour. But it doesn't mean their previous abusive behaviours somehow become non-abusive.

They'll also often ignore everyone who says they're controlling and abusive, and cling on to the one or two replies that justify their behaviour.

Probably written by other abusive controlling posters.

Middleclassblues · Today 11:25

Bloody hell OP.
If he was family to me I would be most concerned about him and offering support to exit.

He has spelt out the narrative of coercive control.
Not good at all, also illegal.

This needs another conversation where you apologise fully for a very nasty and u reasonable text.

You have put your relationship in serious long term jeopardy by having him feel like this.

I suspect you have downplayed how you are about this because his reaction is so extreme.

Get the two of you into couples therapy if he will agree and some solo sessions for yourself.

This is so wrong and I would 100% telling him to start planning an exit if he was my son or family.

Starlight7080 · Today 11:26

Its sad he cant relax at these events as he worries you will be angry.
Is he like that with you?

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 11:28

Scared0112 · Today 10:52

Oooft. Yeah you’ve been massively unreasonable, why you’d plan anything for the day after a Christmas party I don’t know- but it sounds like your DH had already really considered it and had stopped drinking at 8.30 (!)

all you can do now is massively apologise, and hope he can learn to enjoy himself again.

Oh come on, while yes the op seems to have clipped his wings, what makes you think she planned something for the day after? It’s Christmas, my calendar is chock a block with various sports and school and childcare and work and umpteen family Christmas events, I wouldn’t dream of planning anything myself because there’s no bloody time.

AdeleRochester · Today 11:28

I cannot imagine a circumstance in which I’d write to my DH and tell him he didn't give a shit about his family because he was at a planned work event.

It was incredibly spiteful and manipulative. Do you do that kind of thing a lot?

Because the fact that he didn’t tell you immediately how unreasonable and hurtful you were being is worrying.

singinginthedrizzle · Today 11:29

ShedNine · Today 10:46

When we met 15 years ago, DH was very sociable, particularly around work events. After DD was born his attendance at those events became more sporadic; he attended fewer and generally left after an hour or so. I should add these aren’t casual post-work drinks, they’re usually client or internal social events.

DD is now 7, so we’re on a much more even keel childcare wise, so there is the opportunity for him to go to more and stay later.

Earlier this week there was a work event. Attended by everyone. He left after two drinks, and came home. I said he could have stayed longer and he said it “wasn’t fair” to do so. I asked if anyone else had left early and he said no.

We then got talking about other events, and I asked if a date had been set for the Christmas Party. He said there had but he wouldn’t be attending. I asked why and he said “to be honest, I can’t really relax at these things any more and it’s best I just don’t go”. I asked him what he meant he referenced the previous year when he’d been out until midnight, and I’d (admittedly) sent him a message telling him that he didn’t give a shit about his family because we had things to do the following day.

On that occasion, he pointed out that he’d stopped drinking at 8:30 and he was perfectly fine the following day (he was), and he had just wanted to stay out and network / get to know some of his senior colleagues better. He says he just doesn’t know what he should or shouldn’t do and so to avoid problems he’s just not going to attend.

I now feel awful, like I’ve clipped his wings. He never said anything last Christmas, he just apologised. He won’t change his mind about the Christmas party.

AIBU?

I should add, tor context, I attend work events and other social events and DH has never raised any issue with me, even when they have gone on later than expected and I’ve had a few too many. Which makes me feel even worse.

Wowsers! You set him time limits like this?? We have a child the same age, have plenty of family time but are still allowed to go out individually and without a curfew. I'm actually lost for words

ColdAsAWitches · Today 11:30

@99bottlesofkombucha
what makes you think she planned something for the day after?

Because she said so in the original OP and in the text to him!

"telling him that he didn’t give a shit about his family because we had things to do the following day."

birdinatree1903 · Today 11:32

Wow this is really sad. I hope you have learned from this OP.

Dumbledora8 · Today 11:33

You sound over bearing!

SL2924 · Today 11:33

It sounds like he is in a very controlling relationship which has taken its toll

Thisismynewname23 · Today 11:34

ShedNine · Today 11:00

I really regret the message last Christmas. It was an overreaction, and I fully accept that.

I have been on the receiving end of this and just being made to feel generally on edge about going anywhere day or night, family or friends and you quickly realise it is much easier to just not go than feel nervous and on edge the whole time it isn’t a fun place to be.

KaleidoscopeSmile · Today 11:35

LeedsLoiner · Today 11:15

If the situation was reversed this thread would be full of "LTB he's trying to control your life".

These "if this were the other way round" posts add absolutely nothing to any thread

somanychristmaslights · Today 11:35

Have you apologised for the Christmas message?

CamillaMcCauley · Today 11:36

BunkBedsArePeopleShelves · Today 11:22

It was one text, get a grip

It won’t be just one text. Nobody goes from speaking normally and kindly to their spouse to telling them “you obviously don’t give a shit about your family” just because they are out late at a Christmas party.

The husband stopped drinking early and was fine on the day, not even a bit useless because he’s dusty but still showing up.

That’s the kind of harsh criticism you might lash out with after they rolled in legless at 3am, pissed in the closet and yelled at the kids when they got up again at 12, having missed the morning’s activities.

My guess is the OP is pretty good at speaking harshly to her husband over minor “infractions” and now he walks on eggshells.

Thundertoast · Today 11:37

Is there some context missing here OP, like he has ruined family days due to being hungover in the past, gone awol etc, because from what you've said so far I really dont understand why you would ever consider sending that text.

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 11:38

ColdAsAWitches · Today 11:30

@99bottlesofkombucha
what makes you think she planned something for the day after?

Because she said so in the original OP and in the text to him!

"telling him that he didn’t give a shit about his family because we had things to do the following day."

They had things to do. That says nothing about ‘she planned something on’!! Nothing at all. Things we have to do in the morning on weekends in December - basketball matches, basketball training, ballet, desperately trying to fit in some Christmas shopping, prepping dishes to take to family events, going to family events, buy the Christmas tree (go before 9am or miss out), get to the market for Christmas food (go at 6am or be unable to park). There are lots more but those are the key morning ones that are ‘planned’, although not in any way planned by me. the market and Christmas tree days you might think planned by me but usually very obviously have to be that specific day as the only opportunity in the key timeframe.

Minnie798 · Today 11:38

He sounds like a good one and you are right to reflect on this and make changes.
Also, never make plans for the day after a Christmas party. My dp has always known that 'the day after' for me consists of the sofa, netflix, takeaway and snacks.

Ablondiebutagoody · Today 11:40

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 11:38

They had things to do. That says nothing about ‘she planned something on’!! Nothing at all. Things we have to do in the morning on weekends in December - basketball matches, basketball training, ballet, desperately trying to fit in some Christmas shopping, prepping dishes to take to family events, going to family events, buy the Christmas tree (go before 9am or miss out), get to the market for Christmas food (go at 6am or be unable to park). There are lots more but those are the key morning ones that are ‘planned’, although not in any way planned by me. the market and Christmas tree days you might think planned by me but usually very obviously have to be that specific day as the only opportunity in the key timeframe.

Edited

Cool story. How was the basketball?

topcat2014 · Today 11:41

I live by "Happy Wife Happy Life" but even so this sounds a bit much

andthat · Today 11:41

ShedNine · Today 11:00

I really regret the message last Christmas. It was an overreaction, and I fully accept that.

Thread is fairly unanimous.

You can’t turn the clock back.. so what are you going to do moving forwards?

Sounds like you’ve got a good husband there…

ManchesterGirl2 · Today 11:44

Yeah sorry OP, that message last christmas was really out of order.

On the positive side, its really good that you are able to listen and recognise that.

I think you owe him a sincere apology, and also a conversation about whether he feels there are any other ways in which you've behaved like this. And then really think through why you reacted that way, is there a pattern in the way you behave towards him that you need to address.

Hopefully if he can see that you have genuinely changed, he can gradually relax more.

99bottlesofkombucha · Today 11:46

Ablondiebutagoody · Today 11:40

Cool story. How was the basketball?

Well ok then. Thats the basic must dos on weekends in my December. Glad it’s a cool story.

ColadhSamh · Today 11:47

That was a really nasty message to send. The words and tone of it suggests it was only the tip of the iceberg when its comes to your controlling behaviour. I bet he could give a lot more examples if pushed.

As others have suggested if it was the other way round you would be told to leave.