Dh says the U.K is f***** and he never wants to go back

[Chippednailtoepolish]

These were his words this morning.

We live abroad in a place where a lot of people are coming to live, escaping the uk and America.
He says with everything on the news, the way it's going and what the people coming to where we are tell him, that we'd be mad to return.
Is he being realistic? I want to return to be with family desperately and have a strange feeling that I need to do it soon

Would we be mad to return at this time? If yes, then when!

Maybe this is it, you don't realise what it's like until you live in/see more of some other countries?

It’s really all personal preference. I returned back to the UK after years overseas and love being home and love being in the UK. I think it’s a great place. I know others with very different views.

Maybe deal in facts and not biased reporting from certain ‘news’ outlets?

A lot of that is true for most of Europe and the US, decline of the big democracies. I really don't know where you would go that would be so great. I wouldn't want to be anywhere non-English speaking, too old and lazy to learn a language properly now. Most places are too hot or too cold or too unstable or wouldn't let me in. Wish I knew where we are talking about...

Ok you may be right comparatively if it’s NZ or Aus, although they have CoL issues too I think

But you miss your family? It’s a tricky one

Another factor is jobs and if you have dc who will need one soon. That’s pretty bad here

It's one of the safest and most free countries in the world. There are countries with a higher standard of living but each have their own problems. Also we won't be fucked over by climate change quite so quickly as other places either.

The UK is a wealthy, liberal democracy - I don't see his problem.
All countries have some aspects of good and bad, but I'm pretty sure there are a lot worse places.

I'm guessing Spain. Honestly, life is great here for rich expats. Your kids will struggle though, just like all the other Spanish kids growing up here being priced out of their own neighbourhoods.

I'd agree.

If you choose the right place to live in the UK it is safe and presumably you'd have the finances to choose a safer area.

You could always go to Ireland if your DH doesn't want to come back to the UK. But I am not sure it's that much better other than being in the EU.

Tax in this country is lower than many other developed countries and Europe though. Where are you going to go?

Your problem is that if you are in Spain or Portugal, you can’t move back to UK with your child unless your DH agrees. Will he?

Did you consider that before you moved?

I hope it all works out for you.

My guess is Canada and if so then I’d stay where you are. Visit when necessary and enjoy your life abroad.

This is what many say-but where to go?

Ireland? Oh god the DH will want to return back to current country within a week of the rain

Overpopulated.
The country's going to be concreted over to satisfy the need for housing.
The NHS is failing more and more year on year.
Lawlessness is prevalent, especially among the young.
Many people seem to think that education is pointless.
There is a real fear of going out alone after dark (and this isn't an inner city)

Maybe it's the same everywhere, but that's my take on Britain today. Not totally fucked but getting there fast.

It’s the same thing that British media does with the US. Take a news story and run with it,
blow it out of proportion, turn it into propaganda to suit a narrative. Then if you move from England to the US (like I did) you’re like “Oh wait that was all nonsense, it’s lovely here.”

I’m sure whatever country you’re in is doing the same thing with their news about the UK.

Best stay put then.

My part of England isn’t fucked

South east
outskirts of London
thriving

It's not ignorance of other countries or some kind of sheltered stupidity OP, but you can feel that way if it soothes you.

My guess is that he's getting his news from dodgy right-wing, conspiracy sources and from those who have left the UK for their own reasons, which will obviously be biased against coming back here. We are no more 'fucked' than we were in the 70s (strikes, 3 day week, power cuts), the 80s (Thatcherism, poll tax) or the 90s (Black Wednesday, sleaze, the death throws of the IRA) etc etc etc. Every generation thinks it's living through end times. Yes, there are people suffering and we're all feeling the COL pinch, but such has it ever been in one way or another. If your husband has fallen down a racism rathole, that's a whole other question, but rest assured most people are living peacefully beside their neighbours - as always. Get him to turn off Fox News and plug his brain back in.

Well, if he’s only being exposed to the opinions of people who have left the UK for the secret magical place you now all live, he’s not really getting a rounded view of reality is he?
Also, you’re straight and white, educated and with decent careers and property owners - you’re going to be insulated from the worst outcomes in pretty much any place you choose to eventually settle no matter what.

The UK is fine. Sure, some things have got worse but it's better than most alternatives

Crime? That's definitely not the issue. Cost of living yes, crime no.

I think just everything really as Ive said in another post, a whole combination of factors, but safety for Dc is paramount

Are you happy with your DH @Chippednailtoepolish ?