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To think we have failed our children/daughter as she now doesn’t want any other job just one in my office or working with DH.

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ForJadeEagle · 18/08/2026 21:33

Our daughter doesn’t want to go to her firm choice anymore. Instead, she wants to take a gap year and reapply to university, but she doesn’t want to get a job unless it’s at my workplace.

Our daughter did incredibly well in her Alevels 4 A stars. She worked incredibly hard for those grades and had been set to go to Durham to study Law. Cambridge was always her ultimate university, but she never applied due to the applications having to be in so early for Oxford and Cambridge compared to the other unis. Now that she has achieved these grades, she wants to take a gap year and apply.

I’ve told her that she cannot simply spend the year working for me. I want her to get some proper, real-world work experience. Almost all of her work experience so far has been with family members or friends of my husband. She’s never had a customer service job or anything similar.

I’m a solicitor and run my own business. My office is in the town centre of our town. It’s not a huge law firm or a Magic Circle firm I have fewer than 20 solicitors working for me. I have allowed her to “work for me” for a while now, and she genuinely enjoys it. In some ways, she’s practically a paralegal. She has been working alongside and shadowing the paralegals for around two years and does a lot of the filing and general office work.

But I would really like her to have a normal job for an 18 year old. Go and work in a supermarket, a café, retail anything like that. Even if she only did it for six months, I think she needs to experience what that kind of work is actually like.

I think we’ve given her far too much privilege, and now we’re seeing the consequences of that. She says that if I won’t let her work in my office for the year, then her dad will let her work with him. He’s an art dealer and runs auctions in London. It’s not Christie’s or Sothebys nothing like that it’s his own business.

The truth is, I feel like we’ve raised a brat, and I’m incredibly disappointed in myself.
She has never really had to work for anything. I pay her for the work she does at my office, and I even pay her above minimum wage for her age. When it came to her car, I told her she needed to save up for one herself. Instead, she went behind our backs and spoke to my husband’s parents, who then “gifted” her a relatively new Mini under ten years old for her 18th birthday.
I’m just so frustrated. Every time we’ve tried to put a boundary in place, she seems to find a way around it. My parents and my husband’s parents are all in their 80s. They don’t always know what goes on, and they would do absolutely anything for her. I’ve tried talking to my parents about it, but they just say, “She’s young.” My parents have more money than sense at this point. They’re retired and financially comfortable, so they feel they have nothing to lose by giving her things.

And it isn’t just our daughter. Our eldest son is at Edinburgh and is going into his final year. He’s doing very well academically and has had plenty of jobs, but they’ve all been “nice” jobs. I worry that we’ve sheltered both of them too much. I don’t want my children to suffer, but I do think there is value in being 18 or 21 and having to do a job that isn’t particularly glamorous.

Our son is 21 and has mostly worked in places like art galleries. He’s currently doing his internship in London at JPMorgan and his plan is to work there after graduation next summer. If that happens, he may never actually have had what I would consider a “normal” job for someone his age.

I never wanted my children to struggle unnecessarily. I wanted to give them opportunities and make sure they were comfortable. But now I’m wondering whether, in trying so hard to protect them from hardship, we’ve also protected them from learning what hard work, independence and consequences actually feel like.

Have we genuinely failed as parents. DH is much more blasé about it. Doesn’t think they need to work in a supermarket or just a customer service role to know what it is like to work for things.

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PerpetuallyWhelmed · 19/08/2026 09:40

I honestly don't know what benefit you think she'd get from a "normal" job as opposed to the job she has done for you. The work she does for you is entirely relevant and specific to her intended career and will set her in good stead when it comes to the very competitive business of securing a training contract.

It almost sounds like you want her to have a harder time just for the sake of it being hard, and I'm not sure why?

I think if she's doing a good job for you you would be mad to push her into a less relevant, less useful and less interesting job just because you think there is some moral benefit to making her life harder than it needs to be.

It's a different question if she's lazy or disrespectful in the work she does, but if she's doing a good job you should let her continue.

It does sound like she has an attitude problem but realistically that's your job to address; you can't outsource it to a supermarket in the hope that she'll learn to be nice by working a pointless job she doesn't like.

thesealion · 19/08/2026 09:46

I seem to be a lone voice here but I agree with you OP. Difference is I’d never have handed out jobs and privilege on a plate like you and your DH has done even if I was a multi millionaire. Your DH sounds like a thoroughly unpleasant snob if his attitudes to volunteering are anything to go by.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 19/08/2026 09:56

The work isn't the issue, although I can see why you think it is. The issue is that she's a spoiled brat. Not sure you can fix that at 18, though. She's going to have a gilded life compared to most kids her age and the entitlement is probably baked in now.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 19/08/2026 09:59

Also the fact that half the internships at JPM are from the SAME SCHOOL really speaks volumes about the 'Old Boy' network that very much does exist in our unequal non-meritocracy of a society.

ProudCat · 19/08/2026 10:00

To be fair, she does sound a bit bratty and there's the risk of 'easy come, easy go'.

However, as someone who has worked on the tills in Iceland as the result of a sudden financial emergency (husband was made redundant and I've been poor so it was a bit of a knee jerk 'keep at least some money coming in' reaction) ... I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. My own youngest is fairly cosseted and I preferred her going on her travels and learning how to cope in 'the real world' rather having to deal with the sheer grind of the shopfloor.

I think you're being unnecessarily hard on yourself and wonder if maybe the soul searching and sense of having done something wrong might be tied up with peri?

BunnyLake · 19/08/2026 10:00

mynameiscalypso · 18/08/2026 21:37

I’m in my mid-40s and I’ve never had a supermarket/customer service job. I did work experience and had summer jobs in office roles and have worked in a professional environment since I graduated from university. If she’s wanting to be a lawyer, why wouldn’t she be better off getting a year of legal experience?

I didn’t work in a supermarket job till I was 60! All my jobs before that were office based.

WyrdHag · 19/08/2026 10:01

I can see where you're coming from, but she's obviously looking at her older brother's behaviour/attitudes and you have set a precedent from the job PoV.

Not saying this is a terrible thing - I think a lot of parents in the same position would do it and if your DD has a genuine interest in law then it's probably helpful.

Could you have her two days each per week with you and DH so she gets a bit of a range of experiences? But she gets treated exactly like any other young employee - no perks, and has to do one day/session of volunteering a week?

Help her look for volunteering opportunities - there are lots out there for young people and it doesn't have to mean working with older women in a fusty charity shop if that's her issue.

My DD is 22 and started volunteering at 14 - she's done fundraising, social media, event planning, grant application reviews, worked with a charity for sex workers (once 20 and at uni) and another on the phone helpline for those who have experienced rape and sexual abuse, and spent a month in Cape Town working on projects with human rights and education for women and girls.

She's also on the law pathway and has taken part in various voluntary clinics and projects, some of which have been pretty high profile.
She is off to do her masters next month and has already signed up for the employment rights clinic.

So I'd point out to your DD that she will need to get used to doing some work for free (have a chat with her about circumstances around pro bono cases if you haven't already) even if it's just to make the most of her law degree when she gets there.

Dryshampoofordays · 19/08/2026 10:02

It does seem like you may be projecting the jealousy you feel at your own struggles in comparison to her having an easier life than you. One to discuss in therapy?

OtterMummy2024 · 19/08/2026 10:02

Firstly well done your daughter @ForJadeEagle
Secondly Oxbridge well see a year spent as a paralegal as much more useful for a future law degree than being a barista - though going and doing something like volunteering alongside that, eg with a legal aid group or somewhere like Shelter or Women's Aid, would be useful too.
Finally I wouldn't have wanted the jobs you describe at 18 if I had had a choice! I worked for my mum's business (I wrote the one-liners describing cheese at a supermarket cheese counter, weird stuff like that) and taught sports before and during university. Better pay, nicer work. I worked as a receptionist for a little bit. There are lots of ways to get your edges rubbed off that don't include stacking shelves (which is hard and I think I would be rubbish at, frankly! Same with till work or a coffee shop).

BunnyLake · 19/08/2026 10:05

TrunkElliot · 18/08/2026 21:41

I think you have given a lot of personal information about your kids.
Maybe ask MN to delete it and repost it leaving out their uni choices and where they are doing internships

And there are other threads who won’t say a hobby as it’s too ‘outing’. No such qualms here 😂

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 10:12

NetZeroZealot · 19/08/2026 06:37

She must have gone to a good school to get grades like that. Did they not do D of E or similar to help build resilience?

Good gades are not only down to the school. They are the result of hard work by the child.

GottaBeStrong · 19/08/2026 10:14

ForJadeEagle · 18/08/2026 21:41

The issue is she’s not a lovely young adult she is very very spoilt anything she wants she gets and I am partly to blame for that

Tell her you'll pay her by the hour at the same rate you'd pay her working for you but instead it's for every hour she does volunteering at a voluntary job.

NewNewForest · 19/08/2026 10:20

ForJadeEagle · 18/08/2026 21:33

Our daughter doesn’t want to go to her firm choice anymore. Instead, she wants to take a gap year and reapply to university, but she doesn’t want to get a job unless it’s at my workplace.

Our daughter did incredibly well in her Alevels 4 A stars. She worked incredibly hard for those grades and had been set to go to Durham to study Law. Cambridge was always her ultimate university, but she never applied due to the applications having to be in so early for Oxford and Cambridge compared to the other unis. Now that she has achieved these grades, she wants to take a gap year and apply.

I’ve told her that she cannot simply spend the year working for me. I want her to get some proper, real-world work experience. Almost all of her work experience so far has been with family members or friends of my husband. She’s never had a customer service job or anything similar.

I’m a solicitor and run my own business. My office is in the town centre of our town. It’s not a huge law firm or a Magic Circle firm I have fewer than 20 solicitors working for me. I have allowed her to “work for me” for a while now, and she genuinely enjoys it. In some ways, she’s practically a paralegal. She has been working alongside and shadowing the paralegals for around two years and does a lot of the filing and general office work.

But I would really like her to have a normal job for an 18 year old. Go and work in a supermarket, a café, retail anything like that. Even if she only did it for six months, I think she needs to experience what that kind of work is actually like.

I think we’ve given her far too much privilege, and now we’re seeing the consequences of that. She says that if I won’t let her work in my office for the year, then her dad will let her work with him. He’s an art dealer and runs auctions in London. It’s not Christie’s or Sothebys nothing like that it’s his own business.

The truth is, I feel like we’ve raised a brat, and I’m incredibly disappointed in myself.
She has never really had to work for anything. I pay her for the work she does at my office, and I even pay her above minimum wage for her age. When it came to her car, I told her she needed to save up for one herself. Instead, she went behind our backs and spoke to my husband’s parents, who then “gifted” her a relatively new Mini under ten years old for her 18th birthday.
I’m just so frustrated. Every time we’ve tried to put a boundary in place, she seems to find a way around it. My parents and my husband’s parents are all in their 80s. They don’t always know what goes on, and they would do absolutely anything for her. I’ve tried talking to my parents about it, but they just say, “She’s young.” My parents have more money than sense at this point. They’re retired and financially comfortable, so they feel they have nothing to lose by giving her things.

And it isn’t just our daughter. Our eldest son is at Edinburgh and is going into his final year. He’s doing very well academically and has had plenty of jobs, but they’ve all been “nice” jobs. I worry that we’ve sheltered both of them too much. I don’t want my children to suffer, but I do think there is value in being 18 or 21 and having to do a job that isn’t particularly glamorous.

Our son is 21 and has mostly worked in places like art galleries. He’s currently doing his internship in London at JPMorgan and his plan is to work there after graduation next summer. If that happens, he may never actually have had what I would consider a “normal” job for someone his age.

I never wanted my children to struggle unnecessarily. I wanted to give them opportunities and make sure they were comfortable. But now I’m wondering whether, in trying so hard to protect them from hardship, we’ve also protected them from learning what hard work, independence and consequences actually feel like.

Have we genuinely failed as parents. DH is much more blasé about it. Doesn’t think they need to work in a supermarket or just a customer service role to know what it is like to work for things.

Wow you’re being completely weird and dog in a manger about this.
At least I suppose your daughter won’t find a shortage of things to talk to her therapist about.

ThePM · 19/08/2026 10:24

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 07:54

She isn’t really trying? Op says she is a highly competent (sort of) paralegal, turning up and and working hard at the firm. Given her grades I would expect she is excellent at it . The OP is upset as she isn’t going to work in a cafe or volunteer but wants to graft in a law firm. Did I misunderstand the post? If the daughter went to a law firm down the road and got a similar job would that be ok?

Edited

You didn’t misunderstand at all, but you chose to be utterly obtuse.

Yes of course it would be better for her development as an adult if she was working elsewhere because (a) she wouldn’t be able to pull rank because My Mum Is Your Boss (b) she wouldn’t be allowed to coast (c) she would be offered stretch up opportunities if she earned them and (d) she would be judged on her own merits which of course is a double edged sword. She knows it’s a double edged sword and chooses to hide in Mummy’s skirts. Therefore she is a coward.

Stillreadingalot · 19/08/2026 10:26

Apologies not read whole thread. Ii understand your concern as our dc path was considerably smoother than it had been for either of us. I too didn't want my dc to have some of my very negative experience.

Given both you and your dh can employ her would a compromise be that she does 2 days per week with each of you and then spends 1 day per week volunteering in a completely different field/area doing something less "nice" ?

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 10:31

GottaBeStrong · 19/08/2026 10:14

Tell her you'll pay her by the hour at the same rate you'd pay her working for you but instead it's for every hour she does volunteering at a voluntary job.

'Common people volunteer to give something back but you 're special so mummy will pay you.'

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 10:31

ThePM · 19/08/2026 10:24

You didn’t misunderstand at all, but you chose to be utterly obtuse.

Yes of course it would be better for her development as an adult if she was working elsewhere because (a) she wouldn’t be able to pull rank because My Mum Is Your Boss (b) she wouldn’t be allowed to coast (c) she would be offered stretch up opportunities if she earned them and (d) she would be judged on her own merits which of course is a double edged sword. She knows it’s a double edged sword and chooses to hide in Mummy’s skirts. Therefore she is a coward.

She’s 18 not 40. She’s figuring her life out

perfectly normal for her to work at her parent’s place of work for a year to earn some money and get some experience, particularly if it is in the field of which isn’t interested in going into. But even if it wasn’t it is still good experience for her CV.

no indication she will ‘pull rank’ or not stretch herself. She’s an exceptionally bright young women who has given absolutely no indication she’s lazy or coasting. Getting proper work experience is actually much more useful for her than working in a cafe or volunteering if the volunteering is just for the sake of it. Sorry I don’t have any issue with this.

NetZeroZealot · 19/08/2026 10:32

IdaGlossop · 19/08/2026 10:12

Good gades are not only down to the school. They are the result of hard work by the child.

Of course but a good school also helps.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2026 10:34

NetZeroZealot · 19/08/2026 10:32

Of course but a good school also helps.

Cream always rises to the top. The best public school in the country couldn’t do much for Prince Harry.

Stillreadingalot · 19/08/2026 10:34

Oops- sorry just seen the comments about volunteering. I do confess to being a bit "the labourer is worthy of his hire" but in your situation I would make volunteering a condition of her working with you which if she really wants to be a lawyer would be beneficial. I suspect your dh will not back you on this in which case as MN would say yiu have a dh problem.

Going forward I would be wary of baling her out much and wouldn't be stinting myself in order to leave much !

ThatBliddyWoman · 19/08/2026 10:34

Doing a 'normal' job can go the other way too OP.

I have a quite wealthy friend with a daughter who's a 'high flyer', great grades, Russell Grp university etc etc and her parents were quite strict about handouts while she was studying, wanted her to get a job in a pub or shop etc to support herself and get some life experience as she had had a lot handed to her. She got a degree in something to do with the Oil Industry? I think, I know she was set up for a lucrative career in same.

But, she went to work in a hotel while at Uni, loved it and now runs a small B&B. With a 'top notch' degree.

Would you be happy if your daughter did similar?

AlleycatMarie · 19/08/2026 10:44

Divebar2021 · 19/08/2026 08:43

You are possibly not the judge of “ harm” though are you?

I said it didn’t do ‘me’ any harm and I like to think I’m quite a good judge of myself thank you 🤩

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 10:46

AlleycatMarie · 19/08/2026 10:44

I said it didn’t do ‘me’ any harm and I like to think I’m quite a good judge of myself thank you 🤩

I’m still trying to work out what ‘harm’ could have been done to you!

AlleycatMarie · 19/08/2026 10:47

BananaPeels · 19/08/2026 10:46

I’m still trying to work out what ‘harm’ could have been done to you!

🤣🤣🤣

MyPurpleHeart · 19/08/2026 10:48

Butchyrestingface · 19/08/2026 08:58

What unrelated law firm is going to give an 18 yo girl straight out of school a job for a year?

That was my point though. Shes getting to do work that any other company wouldn't let her do, because its her mums company.

Might do her some good to go to another firm and work the 'shop floor' for a year.

Do you know how many times ive had doctors refuse a blood test because they don't know where all the tools are kept. I'm sure theres plenty of solicitors out there who don't know how to work their own filing systems