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AIBU to see my MIL's reaction as manipulative and cruel?

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GreenAcreFarm22 · 18/08/2026 01:03

My MIL and step-FIL visited us about a month ago while DH was away (I posted about this already, but in a different context). It was awful, I felt like I was being punished the whole stay with a lot of passive-aggressive jibes. Notably, during that time, MIL took me aside and told me off for being "jealous" of my husband's attention towards the baby, apparently assuming this was why I'd been upset with him around my birthday. The following day, she then explicitly asked me about our sex life. She then said that if she'd been "all shredded down there," she wouldn't want to have sex either and that I would lose my husband's interest if I didn't. She knew I'd had very severe tearing during birth. I found this incredibly insensitive and insulting, particularly given how vulnerable I've been this year.

I told DH about it when he got back, but he spent the following weeks avoiding confronting his mum.

Yesterday, he finally decided to speak to her by phone to set the record straight, which I was not expecting.

He actually went into the conversation trying to take some responsibility himself, saying that perhaps he'd miscommunicated something about an argument we had just before they arrived and that I was not a jealous person. Instead of asking what had happened or trying to understand why I was upset, MIL got very heightened, categorically denied saying any of it, and immediately turned the conversation around to how hurt she was by me.

She said she's miserable and depressed, that we don't care about her, that she only ever tries to be my friend and I make her feel unwelcome. Step-FIL then joined in, saying they'd both apparently been "extra nice" to me during their visit because of the argument. MIL eventually agreed that she would speak to me to make amends.

Shortly afterwards, she sent DH a very long text message saying she was hurt beyond belief, was not going to apologize for something that didn't happen, that all I wanted was to drive a rift in the family, that she is generous and kind, and that everything I'd said had never happened and was all made up.

Step-FIL then messaged DH saying he needed to call him first thing this morning.

DH spoke to him this morning, and he continued to deny everything for both of them, saying there may have been a "misunderstanding" and that MIL was simply very hurt. However, it seemed maybe there was some conceding on his half about crossed wires, which was positive, but unsure why he had to step in.

However, shortly after that call, MIL sent DH a complete tirade of messages, listing everything I've apparently ever done wrong since 2016, calling me a liar and saying that all he has done is hurt her because he has listened to my lies. She also said she "doesn't want to live anymore" because of all this and shes never going to see her grandson again.

What I find really odd, is that all the things I find difficult about her - like I can't seem to have a proper conversation with her, she sends a message, I respond, but she never responds back. Doesn't respond to baby photos. Makes me feel super unwelcome by pretending I'm not in room, etc. She has turned back on me again, saying I do these things to her.

At no point has she acknowledged what she said to me, apologised, or even shown any curiosity or concern about why I was upset.

DH is absolutely devastated. He feels like he's lost his safe space with his mum because he genuinely believed he could speak to her honestly and have a reasonable conversation.

What's particularly upsetting is that DH wasn't even attacking her. He was trying to address something that had happened a month ago and explain why it had upset me, especially with my PPD. Somehow the entire conversation has become about how badly she has been treated, with everything being denied and turned back onto me. It's literally all become about her.

This seems like such a crazy escalation. I'm struggling to know how to interpret this reaction, but it seems very manipulative and cruel towards my husband.

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Cuppachuchu · 18/08/2026 09:30

Step back from your IL's to protect your own mental health. Your MIL is who she is, will not change so don't engage or feed her drama. DH can visit them. I would not have them in my home, ever.

TrojanDonkey · 18/08/2026 09:32

My MIL is similar, denied everything offensive she’s ever done and said and gaslighted the hell out of me. It’s narcissistic. You can’t fix it or change it.

I stopped contact and life is so peaceful
now. It’s the only thing you can do, no or minimal contact.

FeralWoman · 18/08/2026 09:48

Stop having contact with her. She’ll never improve or become genuinely nice.

My DH’s mother is very similar to your MIL. Toxic, poisonous and always the victim. We’ve had contact only once with her in the past 26 years. She hadn’t changed. Best decision we ever made to stop having contact with her.

She’s never met our 16yo. No plans to change that.

I hope that your birth injuries are healing well. I had some really bad tearing but thankfully everything healed up well after very careful and extensive stitching by an OB/GYN and giving my body time to heal.

YellowBedLeaf · 18/08/2026 09:53

I remember your last post and hugely empathise. My DH’s parents were like this. Said horrific things then absolutely denied it (they did most of it over text so we have the clear evidence there). When sent screenshots of the things they said, they immediately deflect and talk about how upset they are, how they did everything out of love/concern and how they’re the victims in the situation. Unfortunately, it’s an emotionally immature reaction and they’re set in their ways. My DH is no contact with them now despite 5+ years of trying to talk to them about it.

I would really encourage both of you to go to therapy (individually). You’re going to be hurt and your DH will be grieving the parents he thought he had. We’re going through this now and it is very difficult for him to rationalise why they choose complete denial over a relationship with him. I wish we had started earlier.

Sending you the very best wishes, it’s a horrific time but you will get through it.

ginasevern · 18/08/2026 10:02

@GreenAcreFarm22 But your DH obviously had a conversation with her about your sex life. The very fact your MIL referenced it and said about you being "all shredded down there" means he did. If he's feeding his mum that sort of information then who knows what else he's telling her. I'm not defending your MIL per se, but she might feel like piggy in the middle and genuinely (although very badly) be trying to be some sort of confidante. Personally I'd look closer to home for the root of this horrible mess.

Happyjoe · 18/08/2026 10:15

Surely MIL's reaction is just cementing everything you've said to your husband? I feel sorry for your husband, it must be hard knowing his parents are a pair of muppets. He has to stop talking about any personal issues too.

I wouldn't bother with the ins and outs of it anymore, just keep well away. If she doesn't want to see her grandchild anymore, enjoy the peace. Tbh, if I were in your shoes, I'd not want her influence to rub off on any kid of mine growing up.

Lobelia123 · 18/08/2026 10:20

Save yourself a world of trouble and just drop the rope. Stop caring about 'sorting things out', explaining your side, giving them a chance to state their side, seeking answers or accountability for what theyve done and said, keeping score etc. For the moment at least you seem to be on completely opposite sides of a very wide chasm of understanding motives, exactly what happened etc, this may be genuine or it may be manipulative / gaslighting. Stop caring. Stop pushing for answers. Drop the rope and get on with your life. if you keep pushing and wanting apologies it will all just escalate. People cant fight with someone who just doesnt engage and who walks away. This is hinestly what I would do. certainly your husband can have whatever relationship he wants or values with them; certainly you do need to be civil when you meet. Beyond that, you dont need to do anything or act a certain way. Back off and let them find some other object to pick on.

Branleuse · 18/08/2026 10:26

Tell your husband that this is completely batshit. That she behaved awfully to you, and now you understand it's because of all the critical and judgemental things he has discussed with her about your relationship without telling you, so you were blindsided by her trying to discuss your genitals and post partum sex life.
That any fall out now is between them, and you note that she is now upping the ante, and has shown how she truly feels. You are not willing to be anyones punchbag or scapegoat, and that you suggest that he deals with his parents and that it's given you a lot to think about, and you are still deciding where to go from here and if it's fixable.

StormGazing · 18/08/2026 10:44

Different situation but we called my MIL out for her toxic behaviours and genuine nastiness - we even wrote it in an email from us all (including our child whom she was absolutely awful to). Things blew up, FIL (wet lettuce but enabler to MIL) said he was ‘fuming’ (we’d even run it by an aunt who said the email was very polite but did point out truths, she said they won’t like to hear that … she was right!). Anyway we pulled back from them, rarely see them and DH does speak to them on the phone but I rarely visit, likewise our child she was awful to … they’ve been up and down, but I refuse to stay if they’re being awful, I always take my car if we visit. It’s ‘ok’ now …. About 4 years later. Still rarely visit but DH is cordial and makes efforts because they’re his parents which is fine with me, we don’t allow any nastiness, that leads us to leaving and going home - good luck!

Kroovy · 18/08/2026 11:02

I have a similarly psychotic MIL. Just this year I have quietly gone no contact with her, which I was worried about, but life has been bliss so far. I’m not sure she’s noticed yet but I’m not backing down. I’ve blocked her on Facebook and WhatsApp and now my husband is visiting only. She knows I like to do a digital detox so that will be me for the next forever as far as she knows. I’ve requested to not know what she says or talks about during his visits, it’s his fight now. All communication is through him. I’m already looking forward to a Christmas where I’m not bracing for impact, biting my tongue or checking my watch. I can just head straight to my mum’s and DH can sort that side out

Chilly80 · 18/08/2026 11:02

Block her and FIL.
No invites to the house ever again.
Protect your mental health.

SunCloudRain · 18/08/2026 11:15

It is DARVO but it's also possible that she has hurt you AND you have hurt her (intentionally or not) .

If you're both genuine and mature it can be sorted out, but it's unlikely you can really have the depth of conversation needed.

Leave her to DH, he can facilitate relationship with DC and manage any visits if you still want those.

Airyfaerie · 18/08/2026 11:23

This is classic DARVO tactics used by narcissists for manipulation. Look it up, and look up Dr Ramani on YouTube and watch some of her videos. You can't change these people or reason with them unfortunately, you just have to learn the strategies to deal with them. Unfortunately we've been through the same with my own in-laws, I could write a book about their shenanigans. In our case it was mainly directed towards their son (my DH) and his father was the main offender, but it's all eerily similar. We are no contact now because it just wasn't worth the mental torture they put us through.

likeitshard · 18/08/2026 13:07

You have tried to address it and it backfired. I’d say to your dh you don’t want anything more to do with her but he should keep his relationship with them . If they visit they can stay I. A hotel and your dh can meet them with dc.

EveryoneUsingOutro · 18/08/2026 13:14

Textbook narcissist behaviour - play the victim when called out on their appalling behaviour.

Just block and avoid for your own peace, she will never be normal or have normal relationships.

If your DH wants to read up on it to manage his relationship with her better, fine. He may discover he’s in FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) and learn about patterns set in his childhood.

Chickensilkie · 18/08/2026 13:16

Does a grown man need a safe space wirh mum and is mum a safe space anyway ? Id say not.

Just move on now op they sound dreadful and her upset doesnt trump yours.

Knittedfairies2 · 18/08/2026 13:20

Just drop the rope; don't give this woman another thought, and don't let her live in your head. Your husband has finally seen what his mother is like, and how she's been treating you over the years. Take yourself out of the equation; time for him to sort it out.

Bluetray · 18/08/2026 13:31

I don't think you can ever change such ugly, nasty, and narcissistic people.

You have to protect yourself ruthlessly or they WILL destroy your mental health and your life.

I think you need to refuse any further contact or entry to your home.

Your husband can choose to have a relationship if he wishes away from you and your home.

Have you a supportive family?
You need them and friends to stay close and support you.

Under no circumstances whatsoever have another child whilst you have this turmoil and drama around you.

Your husband either suports you or your relationship will not survive.

It is hard to believe that this appalling behaviour has come out of nowhere?
Surely your husband has been witness to this for years and your treatment?

Why has he allowed it?
Why have you had a child with him if he has?

Please reach out for support.

AlwaysExtraHot · 19/08/2026 18:30

I'd have told them both to leave my house after the question about your sex life. And I'd have no problem not seeing or speaking to either of them ever again.

AlwaysExtraHot · 19/08/2026 18:32

ginasevern · 18/08/2026 10:02

@GreenAcreFarm22 But your DH obviously had a conversation with her about your sex life. The very fact your MIL referenced it and said about you being "all shredded down there" means he did. If he's feeding his mum that sort of information then who knows what else he's telling her. I'm not defending your MIL per se, but she might feel like piggy in the middle and genuinely (although very badly) be trying to be some sort of confidante. Personally I'd look closer to home for the root of this horrible mess.

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But your DH obviously had a conversation with her about your sex life. The very fact your MIL referenced it and said about you being "all shredded down there" means he did.
That's not 'obvious' at all. She knew the OP had very severe tearing during birth. She was quite feasibly going off that.

ginasevern · 19/08/2026 18:38

AlwaysExtraHot · 19/08/2026 18:32

But your DH obviously had a conversation with her about your sex life. The very fact your MIL referenced it and said about you being "all shredded down there" means he did.
That's not 'obvious' at all. She knew the OP had very severe tearing during birth. She was quite feasibly going off that.

Maybe, maybe not. But the OP also said "MIL took me aside and told me off for being "jealous" of my husband's attention towards the baby". I don't think it's a completely off the wall idea to think that perhaps her husband is over sharing with his mother. It has been known.

Hildegard25 · 19/08/2026 18:42

The main problem I see here is your husband's relationship with his Parents.

You do not need their vitriol, so step back.
It is up to your DH what relationship he and children have with his Parents.
Of course where children are concerned this must be jointly agreed on.

You do not need to put up with anything inflamatory.
Just block, ignore, and never be in their company unless you want to be.

Teamrabbit · 19/08/2026 18:43

You are never ever ever going to win her over - ever.

I played this rodeo with ex mil - even tried live bombing her.

When people believe their own shit - nothing you do or say or ANYBODY else’s says is going to change her narrative.

Save yourself years of heart ache snd stress and cut her off now.

diddl · 19/08/2026 19:05

I'm struggling to know how to interpret this reaction,

Don't waste time trying.

I wouldn't bother with them any more.

I'd want to advise your husband to do the same but he obviously needs to make his own decision.

shes never going to see her grandson again.

How great that would be if she stuck to it.

He'd be better off without her!

diddl · 19/08/2026 19:06

I played this rodeo with ex mil - even tried live bombing her.

Great typo!

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