AIBU to discuss A level success without private school spending?

[Absorbthecost]

Parents/carers who have not spent a penny on Educating their children and they have just received great A level results.

The sacrifices made all the struggle,

I’m interested to discuss families where the child has succeeded without need for private school

https://www.gbnews.com/money/private-school-fees-soar-vat

https://www.ft.com/content/091b214d-231b-414a-8f3e-9ef9fc021926?syn-25a6b1a6=1

Those who did pay,

presumably to secure great results at A level

The same kids off to Uni, placements easier to secure as less international competition. Uni the playing field evens.

And now time to pay for Uni,

https://inews.co.uk/news/education/university-tuition-fees-11000-2030-4705197?srsltid=AfmBOorss52PSHD6xJzisWMdeNxcXDen3IrCGS49nnGH1ZyDnmvTOh_k

A child who did outstanding (without spending a penny) the same result as a family who spent £250k + The above article is a low estimation for a selective U.K. day/ boarding.

The kids holding the same result off to the same Uni, How are families feeling!?…. Did you save to help towards the Uni Fees/accomodation.

I've managed to find a direct link:
https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstreams/70295d74-c1bc-427d-8ed7-75072594706f/download

It’s still not working and that is not what the overview says.

Said overview

“The 2019 University of Cambridge analysis identified persistent awarding gaps for minority ethnic and disabled students, driven by factors including course choice and first-year results. Key findings showed that first-year Tripos performance is a primary indicator of final attainment, with notable disparities remaining for Black and Asian students.”

Which I got by putting in the title and date you said and asking for main outcomes.

Have you downloaded and looked at the report from the direct link I gave you?

Look at Table 2

'Good Honours'
Three secondary school types had lower probability of obtaining the outcome:
• Comprehensive (coefficient = -0.38, SE = 0.08, z = -4.50, p < 0.001);
• State grammar (coefficient = -0.32, SE = 0.08, z = -3.90, p < 0.001);
• State other (coefficient = -0.50, SE = 0.09, z = -5.90, p < 0.001)

(Possibly linked to uptake with science degrees.)

First Class:

Three secondary school types had lower probability of obtaining the outcome:
• Comprehensive (coefficient = -0.29, SE = 0.05, z = -5.32, p < 0.001);
• State grammar (coefficient = -0.28, SE = 0.05, z = -5.20, p < 0.001);
• State other (coefficient = -0.28, SE = 0.06, z = -4.92, p < 0.001).

(No mention of mitigating correlations).

School type was ranked 6th of 11 out of factors correlated with good outcomes.

Less significant than year 1 outcome, course, gender, and disability.

But more significant than number of A levels, A level score, month of birth, age group or UCAS score.

Aw you're thread is so sweet. I feel like you need a hug. It's ok - not everyone can afford a gorgeous private school for their child/ren. Don't feel bad, just move on. It'll all work out in the end.

No the link isn’t working and come on that is such a stretch. A study that is nowhere to be found with the only outcomes mentioned being ethnicity and disability. Nowhere anywhere on the internet is there evidence re your claims just loads for the reverse.

Here's the direct link:
https://api.repository.cam.ac.uk/server/api/core/bitstreams/70295d74-c1bc-427d-8ed7-75072594706f/content

You can see that it's from a Cambridge Uni repository,so I'm afraid you really can't deny it.

I first saw it on the Cambridge publications site a couple of years ago: the first link I gave you.

I did need to hunt around for a few minutes today to find the repository version but it wasn't that hard... not sure you looked very hard!

A lot of uni lecturers / tutors at the more competitive unis do say that students that have been to independent schools are often significantly more advanced in things like essay writing structure, dealing with significant workload over short amounts of time (eg. at Oxbridge), and with the confidence and critical analysis needed. It's not down to the individual simply the environment the've been in.

To be fair, ethnicity and disability were found to be more significant than secondary school.

(For disability: Cognitive or learning difficulties were found to be slightly less significant that school type; Mental health conditions more significant)

Can't think why Cambridge didn't mention a fuinding which goes against their woke narrative in their summary, once they removed the whole report from the page...

To be fair, after that analysis they did remove school type from their explicit targets for offers.

Still isn’t working ( just comes up blank)and I still can’t find it. I did look hard.

Maybe they have identified weaknesses in their research which is at odds with all other research.

When it seems to go into downloads and is available there

No actually they say state school students often rely more on self-directed study before university, making them better prepared for the independent learning style required in higher education.
Privately educated students may receive heavy exam coaching and application training at school, which can mask slightly lower innate academic resilience when those support structures disappear at university. State school graduates often show higher internal incentives for career achievement and social mobility, translating to stronger work ethics during degree courses. High-ability students in the state sector may face resource limits or barriers before university, meaning their full academic capabilities only become fully unlocked and visible once they reach higher education.

Will try again

Hmmm we must talk with different people. I do agree with the more ambitious and more resilient aspects.

To talk about only ps students receiving heavy coaching etc is a misnomer. We all know that most high achieving state school kids (comp and grammar) have received heavy tutoring for A Levels. Everyone I know whose kids go to state school spends a fortune on tutors for GCSEs and A Levels, if they want them to get into a top uni / competitive course (ie. private schooling by any other name).

Many deny it (like weight loss drugs), but it's true,

Is spending money on tutoring not 'private education'? It is paying for a service those that cant afford it don't get. I don't mind it, fair enough. But those who deny it or don't admit to it - even worse unis who don't seem to take it into account, is weird. I guess a uni can't scan for private tutoring can they, Ah well.

You must lack that first hand experience *they’ve

Perhaps £250k plus additional tutors? That will be, of course, an additional expense not available on a bursary.

*your

What? Are you picking me up on a typo?

ha ha - you are hilarious

Two.

Aw another one who needs a hug. Sweet.

Entirely different to being in classes of 15
and coached/ tutored through exams in school.

I dont think they are trying to make any point. They sound like a journalist to me

You must’ve missed primary contractions.

Value for money MN?