AIBU to discuss A level success without private school spending?

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Parents/carers who have not spent a penny on Educating their children and they have just received great A level results.

The sacrifices made all the struggle,

I’m interested to discuss families where the child has succeeded without need for private school

https://www.gbnews.com/money/private-school-fees-soar-vat

https://www.ft.com/content/091b214d-231b-414a-8f3e-9ef9fc021926?syn-25a6b1a6=1

Those who did pay,

presumably to secure great results at A level

The same kids off to Uni, placements easier to secure as less international competition. Uni the playing field evens.

And now time to pay for Uni,

https://inews.co.uk/news/education/university-tuition-fees-11000-2030-4705197?srsltid=AfmBOorss52PSHD6xJzisWMdeNxcXDen3IrCGS49nnGH1ZyDnmvTOh_k

A child who did outstanding (without spending a penny) the same result as a family who spent £250k + The above article is a low estimation for a selective U.K. day/ boarding.

The kids holding the same result off to the same Uni, How are families feeling!?…. Did you save to help towards the Uni Fees/accomodation.

Do you mean

They weren’t prioritised by the conservatives and still managed to “do just fine”

Fine.

Exactly. Grades have been getting higher and higher over the years. Teaching has improved. The proportion of state getting into top universities has increased. Sounds like a. Good job done honestly.

To the detriment of mental health, SEND, creative subjects,school buildings, teacher recruitement….

And let’s not forget the amount of young people not in work or education, students fleeced by loans comapnies and the lack of alternative routes into skilled jobs.

Sounds wonderful!

Ah well that’s different. This thread was all about academic success and congratulating those who got top grades in state schools. that is measure of success currently. If you want schools to be measured in other ways such as creativity the. You need to campaign for that!

Anyway we’re a long way off the OP.

Or the shift in University trend is merely backlash in academia. Outraged at the 14 years of austerity for state school kids? Under the conservative government.

I'm just thankfull it's finally been leveled up. For far to long wealthy family's have been buying into the best schools to ensure they get their kids into a good university. Now it's going by grades and the kids themselves and the wealthy parents are realising they carnt buy intelligent kids. State kids are getting in on merit and the wealthy don't like that. To bad. Then they want to get their kids into state 6,th form to have a better chance of getting into uni and whine when most places are taken by kids already on the role. If you opt out of the state system don't expect special treatment to jump the queue. It dosent work like that. Even if the private kids do manage to get a place in state 6th form it still doesn't guarantee a place at university, you are competing against the best at state school who have worked for their place and not had everything handed to them.

Labour aren’t levelling up and have been in for over 2 years. They are adding more unfunded SEND into the state system. Start with funding every penny of SEND, for a start. The reason state schools are crap with SEND is because the state expects to fund the initial amounts which is huge in poorer catchments typically. So of course it is relevant. And the Gove curriculum was good for academic state kids without SEND overall - hence why attainment is up and top uni entrance is up too.
The state school sector is largely hugely disappointed in Labour. All they got is the shitty divide to conquer attitude - shafting private schools. How would that help the state sector?

Very sorry but it is not possible to compare 2 years of a new government to the 14 years of evidence we have to pick apart with the Conservatives.

Labour have been very clear they inherited a FINANCIAL black hole of overspending.

It will take years of trial and error to begin tackling the issues they inherited!

Charge the parents until there’s nothing left.

Then we’ll tax the kids.
https://independentschoolmanagement.co.uk/news/school-to-give-pupils-digital-currency-for-good-behaviour/

Why don’t they just assist their start ups. Period.

I am a private school parent and resent your accusations.

Of course Universities should choose on merit. However it’s not all about grades. For example do you have social, cultural, musical, or sporting talent you might bring.

Achieving solid A levels is all well and good. But has the child matured to into a socially capable young adult?

Why do you think private school children have had everything handed to them. The school DT’s went to was selective - fail the entrance exams and interview and you didn’t get a place regardless of your ability to pay.
And yes, DT’s both got top grades at school and 1st class honours from Uni - why - because they worked hard.

“Labour have been very clear they inherited a FINANCIAL black hole of overspending.
It will take years of trial and error to begin tackling the issues they inherited!”

@Sidedoors - there is no time. There will be an election in under 3 years. That is the deal for Governments. Nobody gets away with whining and blaming. You have a window to prove yourself and that is it. It is the same in most businesses too. You think if I am researching some new drug I am getting an infinite amount of time, I am not.

Also, Labour have done nothing to tackle overspending nor increased productivity.
Disincentivising the most productive in society via a punitive tax system is stupidity. And all Labour do is more and more taxes, stealth or otherwise.

So you must sit and observe and have the common courtesy to see what they can achieve with their term.

If they can turn it around and deliver they may sit for 14 years+ too and U.K. will continue to level up.

Not you. Sidedoors.

Well no @Sidedoors - because like many socialists, Labour level down not up. And the smart people are fleeing. Conservatives were confused and incompetent and Labour are wokerati on Speed. There is literally no point in punishing private schools for the sake of it. It is just like Brexit, a complete affront to anyone who thinks both rationally and economically.

Imagine if Labour are now training the AI to influence public opinion or someone who thinks they can sell Labour a product! Quite funny really.

Even the Conservatives spent £112 billion per year on the 94% and zero on the 6%.

Sounds like you can't really complain about priorities there...

Unis do not give too hoots re expensive extra curricular activities anymore and quite rightly so.They want to see your real passion for the subject, proof that you can think beyond school work, and clear reasons why you are ready for a degree. They look for specific examples of your independent reading or projects not a list of your hobbies or expensive jaunts dressed up as charity projects and paid for by mum and dad.

Im not suggesting the government should pay private fees. The state offering should be good enough that its not necessary.

It's interesting that the argument has switched to pro-Labour, isn't it?

I still don’t understand how it got around the Talkguidelines with the second account.

It is never going to learn EI and establish “trust”. It will reel off facts and figures but it is so blatant.

I think it's right for Universities to select purely on academic ability and supra-curriculars. University is education, for the student benefit.

Employers are concerned more with how the person will perform in their work, which requires much broader skills.

It's a shame you think extra curricular interests are worthless: they allow young people to develop their wider abilities. And a good way to show examples of their strengths and abilities at interview.

If you can't talk about it, there's no way for the employer to know what you're capable of.