£610 a week pension demand is insane

[Thisismyfinesthour]

Just read that there is an online petition doing the rounds for a £610 a WEEK pension demand to the government.
WTAF? Is the heat melting some peoples brains? It seems over 5000 have signed it.
Where do they think the money is coming from?

No idea why sell is in there. Noticed the best reply you could manage was to pick up on an error lol

A fit. A thrombie. A meltdown.

Ironically, this same poster accused me of being rude.

A certain proportion of this generation have become a parody of themselves and have very fragile egos hence their absolute rage when their flimsy or ridiculously absurd self-justifications are exposed, which just makes it even more amusing due to the apparent obliviousness to their hypocrisy.

It would be amusing if it was a comedy sketch, rather than something that is continually preventing any prospect of halting the fall in UK living standards for previous generations.

Pensioners on state pension only get housing benefits too if that's their only income.

So quoting the guaranteed amount to actually live on

I was highlighting getting back what you give as you asked a poster what "gird" meant.

Precisely. You wouldn't come out with " who asked you"
Why? Because it would be considered bloody rude

Don’t be ridiculous. Scotland is part of the UK so it owes a share of the UK national debt just like every other area. If it were to separate it would have to pay its share. It would also have to start funding its own higher spending per head which is currently funded by taxpayers in London and SE England. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

We are the third net contributor, so we actually subsidise the rest of England, plus London and the South East flourished due to our oil.

But again, no reading comprehension regarding student debt.

@fanmenow airplane mode made no difference on this device, still cant read it.

I'm aware the right wing press dont want wealth taxes and will go to any lengths to try and avoid that. However if you want to push a particular narrative and then say no-one will listen you need to back up that narrative.

Precisely. It’s a false comparison. “State pensions” in most European countries are either a specific personal pot that you fund or a scheme through your specific employer/ occupation which pays a percentage of earnings. The UK has a completely different model where the state pension was envisaged to be a subsistence level safety net (hence it being welfare funded via current tax contributions) and has had a system of SIPPS and occupational pension schemes accessible to all with tax deferred on contributions, which has been in place for over 40 years. Anybody who has gone through an entire working life and failed to save even 1% of their money to fund their retirement so has no assets or savings, blew everything they earned and is now relying solely on welfare really has only themself to blame for that, unless they have had lifelong disabilities meaning they were never able to work at all. And even for people so irresponsible that they have done that even though their working lives were during the most prosperous period in history, we still fund additional top ups on top of the state pension welfare: we pay their rent for them, council tax, pension credit, prescriptions, travel costs, etc. Yet they still moan!

What utter nonsense. UK wide as an individual you need a salary exceeding £70k to be a net contributor. Are you trying to claim 1/3 Scottish pensioners, or 1/3 all Scottish people, earn this amount? 😆😆😆😆

If that were to be the case, surely you’d be in favour of the immediate scrapping of the Barnett Formula and not be moaning about (or claiming) a state pension.

You’re not missing much. It’s a seven year old article written by Desmond Swayne, a dinosaur of a Tory MP who was caught out in the expenses scandal and defended the use of blackface. He’s particularly referencing the triple lock and said it should go. I agree that it should but he knows as well as I do that axing it would be electoral suicide.

Childcare costs, free school meals...

It's a misleading comparison because it doesn't take into account the additional support available to each household, or whether someone has been a net contributor or a net recipient. Those things matter when we are talking about fairness.

Lies, damned lies and statistics, basically.

Put it in here.

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If you aren't working you don't get childcare costs. If you are working you are not on basic rate UC. All kids get free dinners don't they Well up to a certain age anyway

So a non working single parent with one child is still on less money after housing costs

Considering you think net contributing regions are individual tax payers, you have a cheek to laugh at other people as you have all the way through the thread. I can see your brass neck from Scotland.

Is your policy a race to the bottom?

This isn’t true. I was a city solicitor working on PFI contracts in the early 00s and the problems were baked into the system from the initial scope onwards. Blaming it on NHS staff is just lazy.

It's not my policy. I don't work for the govt and not do I fit into either group mentioned

She’s been told that repeatedly but doesn’t get it. Like most other things, it seems.

But you want pensioners to get less than you. I would rather you both got more. You for bringing up the next generation and pensioners who have brought up this (seemingly whinging) one.

This petition is obviously rage bait. I dont see any posters supporting it.
I think that there have been some unpleasant personal attacks on this thread and accusing posters you disagree with of having dementia is below the belt
A lot of pensioners are paying tax, many at the higher rate. So they're not just taking from younger generations.
Looking foward s few years these rich pensioners will be dying off and there'll be plenty of inheritance taxes going to the exchequer