To almost feel a shred of sympathy for Tommy Robinson

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He did a debate against Oxford university students recently.

His entire argument was destroyed. Every single point. Even Jacob Rees Mogg had to comment on how stupid he was.

It’s exposed what he really is - an ignorant, uneducated man who is so gripped by fear caused by a misunderstanding of the world around him, and it’s almost made me feel sorry for him. People like him have been failed - by society, by the education system, and by the people around them.

The UK hasn't been converted, whatever that means.

It changed. Brexit brought mass migration from outside the EU. I brought it up at the time but was called "racist" by the vocal Leavers on here.🙄😆

Brexit brought mass migration from outside the EU

EU membership also brought mass migration from outside the EU to the UK. One million people who applied to the EU Settlement Scheme were not born in the EU - the majority born in Asia, Africa and the Americas.

15 million have arrived in 30 years.

To add, that would not include those people who had already obtained British citizenship before the EU Settlement Scheme opened.

Or the Catholic and other Christian dominations that do similar. Unfortunately there are loads of extremely intolerant atheists who would like to remove people's rights to practice their religion.

Are you one of those atheists @Shedmistress?

Do you have a verified source for that?

Weird non answer.

And he's a cunt to boot
Coke addled fuckwit..here's hoping one toot too many ..as in a Madness song
Cardiac arrest .❤️⚰️🪦

nomas
Because many Muslims have both a civil ceremony and a religious ceremony

Apparently, around 60% do not have a legally recognised ceremony. Survey from 2017;

Six in 10 women in the UK who have had a traditional Muslim wedding ceremony are not in legally recognised marriages, depriving them of rights and protection, according to a survey.

It found that nearly all married Muslim women have had a nikah, a religious marriage ceremony, but 61% had not gone through a separate civil ceremony which would make the marriage legal under UK law.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/20/women-uk-islamic-wedding-legal-rights-civil-ceremony-marriage

I was about to respond to your post but you'd already edited it once so I guessed another was coming. I'm guessing you will add another on later.

For the record I'm currently answering:

Or the Catholic and other Christian dominations that do similar. Unfortunately there are loads of extremely intolerant atheists who would like to remove people's rights to practice their religion.
Are you one of those atheists ^?^

I don't give a shiny shit what religions people practice.

Until it starts affecting other people. Then I ask questions.

Why shouldn't I, do I not have that right? Why does everyone get so tetchy about answering questions about one in particular?

And how many British citizens have emigrated to other countries??

There has only been more of an imbalance since Covid (not sure if this was due to Covid or leaving the EU).

This thread is about Tommy Robinson though.

Immigration is not relevant considering he lives in a different country and is now an immigrant himself.

If he lived, worked and paid tax in this country then fair enough he can talk about the pros and cons of immigration but considering he’s suggesting that immigration is bad, whilst being one himself, is laughable.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/

But he is raising issues that land/ connect/ detonate with people who do live in the UK and want to stay or have no voice but to stay.

Some countries, like Japan, have sought to limit immigration with the purpose of preserving their culture. I don’t think this means they are against other cultures, just that they don’t want diversity within their own.

Other countries, like Germany, have been open/ welcomed immigration, but have expected those from other countries to assimilate and adopt cultural norms of the country.

There are people in the UK for whom a monoculture appeals and either oppose immigration or support it so long as assimilation/ conformity is followed. Then there are racists, who are scared of, or dislike people from other cultures.

Those who fail to understand or acknowledge this do a lot of harm. They push people towards TR, through insisting they are racist. They also harm minority groups by inflating the amount of hate and racism that is present.

Despite what many on the Left seem to think ie. that engaging is enabling so must be avoided, I think not engaging can come across as convenient and give people the impression that there is a lack of confidence in counter arguments.

Its a generalised government estimate. It doesnt take account of how many came but then left later.

Strangely (given every time you fill out a form to even buy something like a bus pass for example), there are no data stats on exactly this.

That tells me how many people were born abroad. Those people include my stepson who can trace his British ancestry back to the 1700s.

I considered the source.

It was TR who first drew my attention to the grooming gangs. Not the BBC, not the ITV, a YouTube channel who interviewed him.

He was my original source for the grooming gangs.

I was about to respond to your post but you'd already edited it once so I guessed another was coming. I'm guessing you will add another on later so I'll pick the bit of your post that I find relevant.

I don't give a shiny shit what religions people practice. Me neither. As long as they are lawful, I dont care what religion they are.🤷‍♀️

Why does everyone get so tetchy about answering questions about one in particular?

I'm not tetchy. I kind of understand people's relationship with their god and religion. But you seem to be a bit tetchy about Muslims.

I think immigration should have limits and restrictions.

I think the UK is one of the best countries in the world and although I love the multiculturalism of it and it wouldn’t be Britain without it, it’s our underlying values that make it great and I would never want that to change.

But I cannot stand TR and he doesn’t not speak for me or represent me in any way.

I do not want to entertain a violent bully, who is a criminal, an alcoholic, drug addict who loves attention and preys on the vulnerable to fund his houses in Spain and the Canary Islands.

How can you say you want the best for this country and not even live in it?

How can you owe thousands in unpaid tax and take money from the people you’re claiming to represent but yet imply it’s the immigrants that are taking their jobs and money?

How can you claim that immigrants are an issue but be one yourself - it literally makes no sense.

Anyone who supports TR is an idiot.

That’s ridiculous.

You need to recognise what’s going on in your country more, without relying on a man known to spread lies.

I know about multiple grooming gangs because I read the news, you obviously don’t.

I don’t need people like TR to tell me it.

That's a bit mad!🤯

Seriously, you missed the reporting in the news, in the newspapers, the documentaries and even the the dramatisations, going back over a decade?🤯🤯🤯

I first heard about the grooming gangs in 2012. Long before I ever heard anything about Tommy Robinson.

TR may be that poster's only source.

What a frightening thought.

Someone said that TR is a source, someone else said they already heard about the same thing via a different source so why is one source 'frightening' and one not?

Why is he a boogie man to so many people? It really is fascinating.

One source is a news outlet that provides facts, the other source is a criminal desperate for attention, manipulates vulnerable people for money and has been proven to have lied about things on multiple occasions.

Are you still confused?