AIBU to think public racist / anti immigrant / anti trans posts can justify dismissal?

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Read a couple of accounts this week of racist, public supporters of the far-right being sacked for spouting race / immigrant / trans hate on their personal social media accounts.

One was a doctors receptionist.
The other a school learning support assistant.

Both roles where they are likely to work with people in the groups they're publicly trashing online. One was recorded at a far-right rally, speaking about the amount of immigrants she was forced to support in her line of work.

What is your opinion on this?

YABU - People should be able to express their opinion without fear of losing their job. Freedom of speech.

YANBU - Anyone with any kind of public facing role/a role where their employer is likely disapprove of this should not publicly post this way and needs to understand that being sacked is their own fault.

I am not talking about left and right. That’s your tribalism not mine.

I am talking about faux free speech advocates who quickly forget their principles when it’s speech they dislike.

Ah ok.

Source: “Dude, Trust Me”.

Got it.

And I explained that rightly or wrongly they saw it differently and they thought the cancellers were getting a taste of their own medicine. The fact that you can’t even see it speaks to your own bias. Those people thought they were hypocrites and they thought the same about them.

Well done, that’s amazing and it’s brave of you to have done that.

No, 'Dude, look it up yourself! Im not spending an evening giving you my masters social work course reference list'.

But whatever, you aren't paying me - think what you like.

I guess the anti-semitic teachers and doctors didn't get the memo.

I was clear enough, I can’t be bothered to explain it again.

Not sure why it’s so important to you what my job is - presumably so you can decide whether to disregard what I’m saying. I work with women and children affected by domestic abuse, including honour based abuse.

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Why can’t a social worker openly describe herself as a TERF on her social media? It’s shorthand for “feminist who centres women and girls’ sex based rights”. It’s a reclaimed slur.

Gender critical feminism is a belief protected by the Equality Act 2010, see the many cases which have found in our favour.

NOBODY should be bringing their prejudices to work if they are in a state sponsored role with power over people. They should work on facts, and evidence and if they are unable to do that, they should stand aside

I couldn't agree more, @Switchnow, but good luck with that when far too many places of employment are infested with their preferred ideologies

We all have private lives and issues we care about, but the problems start when some try to impose them on others, insisting they should care equally about whatever it is and that they're (insert insult of choice) if they don't

Well of course its important. If you work at the local butchers I dont think the opinion is as valid as if you work in that field. You do so we can have a more interesting discussion. Before that though, thank you for everything you do. That is a tough area to be in, but so needed. I actually did some similar work in charities around this and I found it very rewarding but very very challenging.

As for you stating it was clear enough - it wasn't to me. Maybe Im being a bit thick, but Im quite academic so I dont think so. I wasn't being facetious I genuinely would like to know your perspective - especially given the field you work in. I am always open to learning and improving my own practice.

So when you say you work with abused women, is that after the event/during and then providing support? My role in child protection is to investigate if something like that is happening. By the time its got to me someone has raised the alarm for some reason and so when it gets to me I was to decide if there was anything to worry about. So for example the red flag in the referral could be:

• an adolescent girl being withdrawn from school,
• talk of an overseas trip,
• increasing restrictions on friendships,
• fear of bringing shame on the family,
• threats if she refuses a marriage,
• a mother who has undergone FGM

Obviously if they are white british you arent going to be thinking about the same concerns that you would be if they were from a country that supports FGM/forced marriage/honour based violence.

Im not walking around judging random muslim families that i meet in daily life. Im sent referrals about concerns for children, and the background of every child matters in the assessment - how could it not?

Try a new one as I've been getting called a Nazi, terf, bigot, racist and all the rest by the left wing and its water off a ducks back, though I am pissed off that my check from the American fundamental Christian right still hasn't arrived.
I'm a centerist and an atheist so your typical left wing attacks are pointless, however they do show the exact behaviour that I was describing perfectly and shows your hypocrisy.
If you have an actual rebuttal of any of my points im more than willing to discuss them with you but all you seem to have is attacks and abuse much like many on the left

I personally think that all religions are dangerous in different ways and to different extents.
You say that you have a problem with agents of the state having strong views does that include gender ideology? And how do you feel about state agencies promoting a harmful and contested ideology?
Oh and you do realise that gender ideology has never been tested in law.or put to the grainger test so until it is its not necessarily a protected belief under the equality act. Its also highly unlikely that gender ideology would pass any part of the grainger test and would most likely be ruled NWORIDS.

Its worse than that the gender idealogs actively targeted vulnerable asd kids by telling them that transitioning would cure their autism

Surely, at its root, the point is that an LSA is there to support children. And hating children (from specific groups) is a contraindication?

Of course, no one would have known if she'd stayed quiet. But instead she gave a recorded, public speech.

I have neither 'abused' or 'attacked' you. Goodness. Such hyperbole in response to a mild difference of opinion. It's like arguing with a TRA.
My post was my rebuttal.
You told me I should tell other left wing people off for giving me a bad name. I was merely asking if you practice what you preach.
I couldn't care less what your religion or politics are. I was referring to your sex realist views, which i share, and the way GC women are maligned because far right extremists have aligned with these views.
I thought it might strike a chord and encourage you to see your error in seeing all left wing people as a homogenous enemy. But no. You wade back in to fling more insults at me, as representative of your imaginary monster: The Left.

One was recorded at a far-right rally, speaking about the amount of immigrants she was forced to support in her line of work.

That one involved their employer in their comments.

Where does following a religion that is sexist, homophobic, anti trans etc fit in with occupations that are public facing? Perhaps ask for their pov why they think women should cover up, because their wives and daughters do? How far do we go? Look at their opinions on FB (rather than rants), so sack them if there are victim blaming comments? Do we check if their are any child marriages across their family and question them? Or is just one way?

I dont see all left wing people as enemies i do however see a very obvious pattern of left wing people acting like a mob, tarring anyone who disagrees with them as far right, nazis bigots etc and that is exactly what you did when I pointed out that its not just the TRAs who behaves in this way like you tried to claim and calling someone slurs is hardly a rebuttal. It is infact a feature of left wing politics and its a dangerous thing to allow to go unchecked as has been for years.

You can try and backtrack from what you said but its there clear for all to read you called me a nazi and that is an abusive attack.

The left has a massive problem with authoritarian control and mob justice that needs dealing with in the same way the far right does.
The biggest problem we have with the left is they've pushed the Overton window so far that extremist far left ideology is now mainstream left, to the point that someone like yourself who considers themselves as left wing gc would be considered at best right wing for your gc beliefs if not far right.
Look up horseshoe theory because it'll explain things for you and remember that whether its far right or the current majority of the left in charge women suffer

It depends ok n what's been said. Only the most naive think that just because some person claims a statement is racist/sexist/whatever, it is true.

There is a reason employers are not allowed to fire employees for voting a certain way, even publicly, it from having political opinions.

A seriously important thing that unions could do now is make sure this idea of "bringing a business into ill repute" doesn't stop people from being able to take part in public discourse that includes controversial topics. We need legislation around this imo.

There have even cases of doctors, teachers carrying out anti-semitic activity. They would fit into your observation that people in state roles aren't fit for that role if they harbour prejudice. This is the exact reason why I tackled the reference to only the right wing, in the OP.

I did not call 'call you a slur'. I didn't use any of the terms you are claimimg I did against you.i don't know whether you are mixing me up with someone else, being disingenuous, or simply seeing offence because you expect it rather than because its actually there.
You think its dangerous to lump GC people with the far right? I agree. I also think its dangerous (and ridiculous) to lump all left wing people with extremists. That's all I was trying to illistrate.
Anyway, to your point. I disagree the left has moved the Overton Window within the mainstream. Over 90% of the public support single sex spaces.
There had been an undue level of influence in the public sector from TRAs certainly. But remember, these institutions are servants of the state, overseen by our government and subject to the laws it sets.
This influence was permitted to hold sway under decades of Conservative governments. So if some identifying as left moved the window, the right with the power to stop it didn't have a problem, did they?
Because this isn't about political leaning, it's about sex based politics and the neglect to give any consideration to the rights of women.

Why all this "left wing people" or "right wing people" or TRAs or this group of people or that.
It's not about any particular group of people, it's about the effects of social media , AI, and how that's affecting people's ability to accept different perspectives and disagreement.
On this forum the feminism board is the prime example of this behaviour.

I work with Muslim women who follow the tenants of their own faith in terms of dress, avoiding alcohol, prayers, diet etc. They make their choices for themselves, they don't expect non Muslim women, or indeed other Muslim women who are colleagues or service users to make the same choices, or judge them if they don't. No more than I as a vegan would refuse to hand out food parcels containing milk and eggs to people who ate these things.
Because suitability for a job doesn't depend on one's religion or culture or the choices a person makes for their own life, provided they are within the law. It depends on their ability to refrain from judging others who make different ones, from stereotyping whole groups on the behaviour of some within that group, and a willingness to uphold the ethos and reputation of the organisation.

They dont 'make their choices for themselves' though. Even if they think or claim they do. And they do judge others who don't, you just don't get to hear it. If you really knew what they thought of non-muslims you would be horrified. I think to pretend its like veganism or any other genuine unharmful choice just isnt accurate. Women and girls are victims of this religion and culture, the women you work with included. I believe some cultures are superior to others - we aren't supposed to say that though are we, but its true. I prefer cultures that do not encourage wife beating, paedophila, FGM, breast ironing, stoning, honour abuse, child marriage and constant inflation of the male ego. Hate doesnt come into it. Only moral preferences. Some people think thats racist or stereotyping. I think its realism. The muslim religion is based on the Quran. Read what it is based on. Its not a warm and fluffy peaceful religion with just a small dark side. The whole lot is dangerous. I dont judge these women - I fear for them and their female children. Read some of Ayaan Hirsi Ali's work - an ex-muslim woman. Its fascinating and terrifying.