To feel utterly miserable about a future with Andy Burnham as PM?

[OneWarmHazelQuail]

I feel like I'm being stung in every possible way at the moment- £15 a day on tube to work, high mortgage costs, high energy costs, private schooling for SEN child (I was told state wouldn't be unlikely to assist him as he isn't mute or violent). My parents have had to help fund schooling it felt like my only hope as son has behavioural issues.

I also have an unsold old home that I have to rent out as it wouldn't sell. Buy-to-let mortgage costs, agent fees, maintenance and tax put me in a loss position.

I can't bear what the future holds with Andy Burnham. I have no doubt that he will find new and imaginative ways to keep me in this financial nightmare. I'm literally struggling from food poverty but regarded as rich by policy.

YABU- Andy Burnham is actually going to make things better

YANBU- I'm screwed

Honestly, I can't believe the amount of self-pitying pathetic whingers on here after two years of a (not very left wing) Labour government.

Left leaning voters have put up with 14 years of cruel and incompetent Tory governments, with policies such as 'austerity' and the utter folly that was Brexit which crippled the economy. As for their performance during the pandemic, the recent findings of the Covid Enquiry have shone a very bright light on their sheer incompetence and cronyism. Have all right-wingers on here forgiven and forgotten the impact of Liz Truss's disastrous budget or are they some of the very few people that would benefit and be better off due to these changes?

94% of children attend state schools and it's obvious that they would be the priority of a Labour government. The vast majority of people could never afford private schools. The OP is now one of them but she does have rich parents to pay the school fees. I reserve my compassion for people in real hardship.

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Absolutely - we should all applaud Andy Burnham screwing up the economy further because he's a nice and humble person from the North.

Not subscribing to the politics of envy, I personally don't care whether he sends his kids to school to the local state, grammar or sodding Eton schools long as he's doesn't trash the economy further by increasing either debt or taxation.

Are they paying 40%+? If they aren't, they are paying less than the rest of us and need to pay more.

Same for corporations, when they avoid tax, they push the payment onto us.

Mayor of Manchester is very different to prime minister of the country. The party didn’t support him when he stood previously for leader and now in desperation to hold on to their seats they’re all behind him. Strange that.

So who would you like, Farage, Kemi? What do you think a right wing/Tory govt are going to do given that 4 x PMs in 14 years didn't seem to assist you but enriched themselves. Labour under Starmer have only had 2 years

Is it really so difficult to imagine that other people have different problems to you…?

I can’t really see what she’s said that is so ludicrous ‘it must be a wind up’.

It’s interesting that Labour supporters blame ‘terminal decline’ suddenly now rather than acknowledging that Labour are not fit to govern.

Labour have no policies
No plan whatsoever
They came to government with YEARS to prepare, with nothing to offer the country at all apart from encouraging the poor to have more children they can’t afford - another eye watering sum for the tax payers. They have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

It is possible to invigorate the economy. To stimulate growth by cutting the overheads for businesses, making it attractive to hire etc etc. Reverse some of the ridiculous decisions made by Reeves.

Of course it’s possible to produce a growth plan designed to fire up the country and the economy. Slash welfare, get people working.
Bring in policies where working actually pays. Start supporting business and ramp up production..

We are living well beyond our means with the dead weight of millions of healthy people that could be contributing, instead are languishing on welfare. We need to address the ballooning immigration bill that is costing us billions and billions.
So much could be done!

But it won’t be done by Burnham that’s for sure. I actually think Labour hates this country, and are determined to see us all fail. Flat lining the country to the lowest denominator, and into some kind of dystopian socialist hellscape, in line with their woke ideals.

It’s devastating to see them flounder so badly, when we really need leadership, direction and purpose as a country.

If as you say Andy Burnham isn't going to be better or worse for people than the current PM Starmer then can you explain what is the point of changing the PM with no mandate from the public?

Yes I’m with you- I’m genuinely very worried about what is to come . My children are very near to leaving home and we have been starting to discussions about leaving the country. We just feel thoroughly worn down with constant taxes. Now this mansion tax idea is being floated and we are like, it’s too much. We are also saying to our kids we totally understand if you want to live abroad as we don’t think there is much for you here. Just so dad as when I was their age there was so much hope and optimism in the world. The difference couldn’t be starker!

Isn’t that the problem, she has more than most but is still struggling!

You have no idea what you are talking about. Seems like for you anyone not claiming benefit is a rich person. We don’t know her circumstances and even if she has 2 homes, she didn’t do anything illegal. She can’t sell second house for whatever reasons, and it’s her choice. She has as much right to worry about new government as someone with barely enough income to rent a home. She is as much citizen as you and other posters are. I think you are being very unfair in wanting her to not express her fear.

Agree.

Also on a side note, “I also have an unsold old home that I have to rent out”.
OP, you poor thing🙄

…and which low-tax Utopia are you off to?

My small business is paying more tax than most of these huge corporates. If they paid their share the country would look very different.

Would you want a fresh face every year? Starmer should have been allowed to finish his term.

Um the Tories and Reform have zero plan, none-even though they caused most of the issues and have had years in power. They would make things ten times worse!!! It’s hard putting right so many catastrophes they caused hence them both slinking off with their lack of policies and plan when hard work needed to be done. All they manage is braying from the sidelines with zero plan or policies of their own.

This is so depressing everyone lacks aspiration. The op is supposed to be grateful and get on with because she has/earns more than most. The point is it’s a struggle for her and then presumably also so many others and that is not good enough.

we should be aspiring to live a good life

Because she can’t sell it , it’s a burden costing money. Listen to people to understand the problems that the country has rather than closing your ears on an assumption that she must be rich and therefore have it good.

I don’t own my home but the house cannot be sold so we are luckier than most. Having said that, any tax increase on my landlord will be passed directly onto tenants. We cannot afford to buy.

There is no silver bullet here.

We both work. Child in state school. We’ve made our way the best we can. Labour kills aspirations though. Instead of striving for more and aspiring for home ownership. We are giving up on that dream. If we own anything we will be taxed more than we are now. If I get promoted, I will be taxed a lot more.

Whats the point?!

Give him a chance to “get on with stuff”. Burnham’s not even PM yet!

Who says people aren’t. Just because the op can’t afford 2 homes and private education doesn’t mean others aren’t aspirational. Since when are two homes and private’s education the only markers of aspiration anyway!!!

@OneWarmHazelQuail personally I think we’re all screwed whoever is PM unless we can sort out global warming and mass over consumption. It’s going to get a LOT worse- especially if we end up with a really right wing lot, and the likes of Trump and his cronies. I can foresee eugenics and all sorts. We’re just little cogs in a wheel, the general populace don’t really count.

I should add, that the Employment Law is now hitting our business in real time. Temps, who last a day and then don’t come back - we have to keep paying them ‘sick’ pay, politely asking them to resign. This is hopeless!!

We need a fresh face in politics….

So, his policies are irrelevant, yes?