To feel utterly miserable about a future with Andy Burnham as PM?

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I feel like I'm being stung in every possible way at the moment- £15 a day on tube to work, high mortgage costs, high energy costs, private schooling for SEN child (I was told state wouldn't be unlikely to assist him as he isn't mute or violent). My parents have had to help fund schooling it felt like my only hope as son has behavioural issues.

I also have an unsold old home that I have to rent out as it wouldn't sell. Buy-to-let mortgage costs, agent fees, maintenance and tax put me in a loss position.

I can't bear what the future holds with Andy Burnham. I have no doubt that he will find new and imaginative ways to keep me in this financial nightmare. I'm literally struggling from food poverty but regarded as rich by policy.

YABU- Andy Burnham is actually going to make things better

YANBU- I'm screwed

You have lost the argument with your spiteful jibes clearly, because how can you win?

Burnham is an unelected disgrace - having thrown out the last PM - he is doomed to fail. Burnham is so far out of his depth to take on a job of this magnitude with no current political experience in the last decade, shoehorned in by a Labour Party taking its last gasps before being extinguished altogether. The public will never forgive you for this.

@SuffolkSun you see this does astound me

You didn't know or realise all this? Having said that it all kicked off when my DD was born so nigh on 18 years ago.

It's definatly all there if you care to Google it. It was headline after headline about women left to labour alone , shortage of midwives and wards closing their doors / schools bulging and using play ground to build more class rooms.
Panoroma did the meals on wheels pulled to pay for interpreters, suddenly interprters were everywhere and reports of modern slavery ? Don't you remember the constant press pics of men with Sen found in caravans ?

What's pitiful is your complete misunderstanding of the UK voting system.

He was literally just elected what are you on about

I must have missed a GE where the future PM and party offers their manifesto and the public as a whole vote.

That’s not how it works and you know it.

A party presents a manifesto, yes, but we vote for our local MP. NOT the PM.

Just because there was no general election doesn't mean he's unelected, you do understand that?

A PARTY WINS A GENERAL ELECTION NOT AN INDIVIDUAL.

What do they teach you down there that you can't even grasp the basics?

Why isn't it? It is in Scotland.

Burnham has no right to be there, he wasn’t even an MP until a few weeks ago!! Do we now just give any old bloke on the street the job of PM, because that’s what it amounts too.

I would argue that Streeting or Cooper could have pulled this off, if they delivered on the manifesto promises the public actually voted for. But no, the hard left wanted Andy.

No one has even heard of Burnham, and unless he sticks religiously to the Labour Party manifesto he is going to be toast. I expect he will be toast regardless as your party has split into two and it doesn’t look very pretty from here.

You’re just throwing words out now

Both sides need to accept this and move on though - most of the high profile Labour MPs claimed it was highly undemocratic when the Conservatives did it.

The hypocrisy from one party to the next is one of the most frustrating parts of following politics these days.

Do I think the coronation of Burnham is necessarily wise? No. I don’t see what he offers now that he didn’t both times he told for Labour leadership. I think Labour is behaving a bit strangely seeing him as the perfect answer. But is his coming in as a new PM democratic? Yes it is, in so far as that is how our parliamentary democracy works.

He has followed the legal democratic process and was elected by thousands of people.

I had heard of Burnham and I'm in the south. Just because you hadn't doesn't mean no one else had.

And again, he is not hard left. Not even close.

"Limited research of some posts on one SM platform showed that 90% of Reform-supporting posts were bots."

SummerPeonies: Stop using hurty words. The "public" (me) gets very upset at hurty words.

He wasn’t even an MP! What part of that don’t you understand? He is going to be eaten alive in parliament. It’s almost worth the license fee.

& Wales
& Northern Ireland.

A hard left coup. We deserve better

And now he is an MP.

Get over it.

Do you have ANY evidence that he is 'hard left'?

In the UK it's called a licence fee. Where are you posting from? Always interesting to see a foreign perspective on uk politics

In appreciating that Andy Burnham is a contrived character we notice he has no vision ideas or direction other the following the text book of the 'progressive' left whether appropriate or beneficial to those he says he represents. These being s the people of Makerfield who if he had got his way in incorporating the 'Left's' text book pollution charge, he would have pulled a fast one over the many people unfortunate to not possess great political knowledge

I am sorry but I don't understand this, especially the second paragraph.

Many politicians present a persona, but I don't think Burnham's character is contrived. A contrived persona is Farage's man of the people act (fake photos of watching football down the pub, swigging pints of beer when everyone knows his preference is for upmarket restaurants and red wine). And of course there was Johnson...

It was utter madness to nationalise water.

I don't know about other areas, but Southern and South East Water have both been appalling: massive leaks causing the loss of hundreds of thousands of gallons of clean water, people without any water supply for days, even weeks in some cases and having to manage with 4 litres per person per day, and pouring untreated or partially treated sewage into waterways and onto beaches is an utter fucking disgrace.

The fines dished out are nowhere near enough of a disincentive to make them invest in infrastructure, they prefer their dividends and bonuses.

My local (unfortunately) shared a photo of Farage visiting them 'for a casual pint' with Farage's own brand of spirits on show. Not sure there's a better example of owning the means of production 😂

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We really should teach the basics of our constitution in schools. So many people seem to be unable to grasp the difference between parliamentary and presidential systems of government.