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AIBU to feel miffed about my family getting Irish passports?

366 replies

Honeysucklelane · Yesterday 22:32

AIBU to feel miffed my DH & kids are getting Irish passports? They all have UK passports and it seems a luxury to pay twice.

I can’t get an Irish passport, but my DH and DC’s can. I’ve pointed out I’ll be stuck in the long non-EU queues at airports whilst they go ahead through the EU queue.

Realistically unless any of them travel somewhere alone, it’s highly unlikely they’ll be with other family or friends with Irish passports so they’ll always be waiting on whoever they’re travelling with anyway so what is the point?

DH was very sheepish when a neighbour popped round with the signed forms this evening and was avoiding telling me what he’d dropped round for.

OP posts:
FunnyOrca · Today 09:47

Hotpants123 · Yesterday 22:40

Surely you will be entitled to one through marriage. I have am EU passport and my husband just got his citizenship and has applied fir his passport.

Depends on the country. The husband and children have dual citizenship UK and an EU member state, but I would have to give up my UK citizenship to get the EU citizenship by marriage. If we had married before Brexit I could have had both.

dancingdeidre · Today 09:57

lessglittermoremud · Today 09:45

I don’t think it’s particularly sinister just extremely odd given the children are minors and have two parents.
I wouldn’t be very happy about my husband randomly doing something regarding our children without mentioning it and getting another passport issues is certainly out of the ordinary enough to be mentioned.

I agree. I thought there might be a fear that he was trying to take them away secretly.

Gemilo · Today 10:00

The odd thing in all this is your husband not discussing it with you.

Ibi · Today 10:08

BeFairOliveBear · Today 08:51

A broken arm usually has a predictable treatment and healing time. Panic disorder often doesn't. People can do everything "right" with therapy, medication, exposure and still have symptoms. That's why "just get it fixed" isn't a realistic comparison.

One of the biggest misconceptions about panic disorder is that if someone really wanted to get better they would. But recovery isn't something that can be forced through willpower. Panic is driven by automatic brain processes designed to protect us from danger and those systems don't always respond quickly to reassurance, determination, or even treatment. Many people work incredibly hard and still continue to experience panic. That doesn't mean they aren't trying. It means the condition can be persistent just as some chronic physical illnesses remain despite the best medical care.

That’s not what the poster was saying, they said to get help with it. You’d get help with a broken arm too. You wouldn’t be expected to try and fix it yourself, or not try and do anything about it.

Clearingaspace · Today 10:10

RaiseTheBar · Today 08:35

Your dh is automatically Irish if (one of) his parents were born in Ireland and were an Irish citizen at the time of his birth.

Your children were not automatically Irish and so their births would have had to be registered under the Foreign Birth Registration process and once completed, that would have made them Irish citizens and eligible for their Irish passports.

Now that your children have Irish citizenship, their children would be entitled to also go through the Irish FBR process - which is worth it for continuing the right to an Irish passport down the generations.

Incidentally, the FBR process would have taken quite a while; your dh would have started the process a year ago. That you're only finding out now is probably something to think about.

The responses ftom the op on here make me think he might have just wanted to get the ball rolling before causing anxiety for his wife - no point in a year/years of her worrying- plus I think he needs a passport before he can get one for dc?

latetothefisting · Today 10:14

Id be annoyed that he has done it without telling you, particularly for your kids, but overall think its a great idea.

Surely you can see its a huge advantage for your kids, who knows if they might tighten the rules in a few years so makes perfect sense to do it now. Seems sour grapes to moan about something which could provide a huge advantage to them for the rest of their lives solely because you might have to queue a bit longer than them.

Pps have said you might be able to use the other queue with them anyway but even if not whats the issue? It's not like they can leave without you. Im sympathetic to your anxiety but its probably something you should try and get some help for anyway as there's always a possibility in airports some people are asked to move to a different queue, someone is held back for bag check etc.

Katiesaidthat · Today 10:24

Honeysucklelane · Yesterday 22:44

I’m anxious about being left on my own queuing up whilst they’ve all gone on ahead in a different queue.

Sadly we’re not all able to navigate these situations with ease.

You get them to do the dirty work while you wait. They can gather suit cases and book taxis if needed. You just swan to find everything ready.
EU citizenship isn´t about queues it´s about having opportunities others haven´t got.

SomeOtherUser · Today 10:35

To be fair, you asked if you were being unreasonable, and the answer is yes. Whether it's due to anxiety or not, it is true that you are. The benefits of having an EU passport far outweigh a few hours per year of anxiety, no matter how bad.

LoserWinner · Today 10:42

I feel for the poor husband. He has a wife whose attitude screams ‘I’m entitled to my anxiety and everyone else has to accommodate it, however much it inconveniences them’ instead of recognising that it’s something unhealthy that can be addressed with therapy or medication. No wonder he applied for Irish passports without telling her! I’d be interested to know what steps, if any, the OP has taken to deal with this anxiety.

cornflakecrunchie · Today 10:50

MN strikes again.
Let's all pile on @Honeysucklelane for daring to be anxious.
It must be hard for those having a go at her, being so perfect..

ExpressCheckout · Today 10:56

I understand OP's perspective, but she needs to be miffed with the racists, thugs and imbeciles who decided to 'vote leave', rather than her family.

Howmanycatsistoomany · Today 10:57

Cheesecheeks · Yesterday 23:49

Why?

Because when we're travelling together my DH wouldn't leave me standing in a mile long queue alone while he fast tracked. Because he's not a twat.

I'm a seasoned traveller, have been all over the world on my own, have stood in plenty of queues on my own, no issues with that. But that's a different scenario to being left in a queue by a travel companion isn't it?

SinisterPeaches · Today 10:59

cornflakecrunchie · Today 10:50

MN strikes again.
Let's all pile on @Honeysucklelane for daring to be anxious.
It must be hard for those having a go at her, being so perfect..

No one’s having a go at her for being an anxious traveller. They’re pointing out that her anxiety can’t be allowed to needlessly restrict the lives of her teenagers, when they have an astonishing opportunity denied to most British people because of a colossally wrong+headed referendum arising from an internal Tory fault line.

DappledThings · Today 10:59

Howmanycatsistoomany · Today 10:57

Because when we're travelling together my DH wouldn't leave me standing in a mile long queue alone while he fast tracked. Because he's not a twat.

I'm a seasoned traveller, have been all over the world on my own, have stood in plenty of queues on my own, no issues with that. But that's a different scenario to being left in a queue by a travel companion isn't it?

If doing so meant he could crack on with collecting bags, or finding somewhere to eat or organising the hire-car pick-up or plenty of other useful things one adult can do to save the other one some time I'd be all for it.

gardenflowergirl · Today 11:01

They'll need both passports, British and EU as they won't be able to re enter the UK from anywhere without a British passport. So if they leave the UK with an EU passport they won't be allowed back in with it.

Clavinova · Today 11:02

ExpressCheckout · Today 10:56

I understand OP's perspective, but she needs to be miffed with the racists, thugs and imbeciles who decided to 'vote leave', rather than her family.

the racists, thugs and imbeciles

There are plenty of racists, thugs and imbeciles in the EU - why should they have freedom of movement to move here?

Radrover · Today 11:04

gardenflowergirl · Today 11:01

They'll need both passports, British and EU as they won't be able to re enter the UK from anywhere without a British passport. So if they leave the UK with an EU passport they won't be allowed back in with it.

I understand why you think that’s the case but you are not correct.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · Today 11:07

YABU. It is much better for your children’s future if they have Irish passports. You’re being selfish

Recklessismymiddlename · Today 11:07

DappledThings · Today 10:59

If doing so meant he could crack on with collecting bags, or finding somewhere to eat or organising the hire-car pick-up or plenty of other useful things one adult can do to save the other one some time I'd be all for it.

This. Dh doesn’t wait for the wheelchair crew to collect me off the plane, as well as security, that would be madness. He’s already off, collected luggage, twiddling his thumbs waiting for me to join him. What a waste of time it would be, if he had to wait for me as well to clear security as well.

AImportantMermaid · Today 11:08

gardenflowergirl · Today 11:01

They'll need both passports, British and EU as they won't be able to re enter the UK from anywhere without a British passport. So if they leave the UK with an EU passport they won't be allowed back in with it.

They can with an Irish passport thanks to the Common Travel Area.

Howmanycatsistoomany · Today 11:10

DappledThings · Today 10:59

If doing so meant he could crack on with collecting bags, or finding somewhere to eat or organising the hire-car pick-up or plenty of other useful things one adult can do to save the other one some time I'd be all for it.

I'll give you the bag collection but finding somewhere to eat in an airport? Bleurgh.

Sleepthief · Today 11:13

Minasama · Yesterday 22:49

I really dislike this “passport shopping.” If you are from the U.K. you are not Irish - presumably your family do not sound Irish or live Irish cultural traditions.
I lived in Germany for years, I never got a passport (pre-Brexit) because as much as I loved the country I very clearly was not German.
I don’t think it should be possible for people who clearly are not a nationality to become that nationality.

Actually, I AM both from the UK AND Irish, being from Northern Ireland. That’s how it works…

Clavinova · Today 11:20

GargoylesofBeelzebub · Today 11:07

YABU. It is much better for your children’s future if they have Irish passports. You’re being selfish

It is much better for your children’s future if they have Irish passports

The typical Irish young person who looks for opportunities outside of Ireland looks to the UK, Australia, Canada and the USA.

babasaclover · Today 11:21

@Honeysucklelaneof you’ve been married more than 3 years you can get Irish passport too!

Emilesgran · Today 11:25

Honeysucklelane · Yesterday 22:32

AIBU to feel miffed my DH & kids are getting Irish passports? They all have UK passports and it seems a luxury to pay twice.

I can’t get an Irish passport, but my DH and DC’s can. I’ve pointed out I’ll be stuck in the long non-EU queues at airports whilst they go ahead through the EU queue.

Realistically unless any of them travel somewhere alone, it’s highly unlikely they’ll be with other family or friends with Irish passports so they’ll always be waiting on whoever they’re travelling with anyway so what is the point?

DH was very sheepish when a neighbour popped round with the signed forms this evening and was avoiding telling me what he’d dropped round for.

It's very useful for your children, and it's easier/better to do it when the original parent has taken out an Irish passport.

My grandson has an Irish passport through me, and I needed to send it off along with his application for that reason. Not quite the same rules, I know, but even if it's possible in your case, it would be very strange to apply for a Irish passport for children born abroad when the parent through whom they had that passport didn't have/apply for one at the same time.