To think that NT children miss out in school inclusion policies.

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To think that inclusion policies in primary schools are almost never geared to helping academic, NT children get the best out of their education? They’re almost always designed to help the underdog - not denying this is necessary - but those at the top end of the spectrum don’t get the chance to shine as bright as they might otherwise do.

The problem isn't ND children, it's DISRUPTIVE children With or without special needs.

As many posters have pointed out they were sent out of class for being disruptive in the past

Completely agree OP.

The clever ones are the future. They need investing in. They will benefit society the most.

Those less capable, not so much.

But, but, but I thought all the VAT on private school fees was going to help with this. Is it not?

You would really think a government would be grateful that non-state schools and private paying parents would remove some of this burden from the state. Wonder why they’re not grateful?

Sounds horrific PP.

I wouldn't be surprised. At the start of my final teaching year before I quit, SLT refused to provide the resources that the class had been given the previous year. Things like 1-1s, time out of lessons for a few of the kids, various interventions, bespoke timetables etc. etc. I had to start from scratch and "see how things go". They went to shit.

Many ND children are clever.

Has PP said they’re not?

And?
So they’re worth investing in, no?

What do you mean by "an adequate education"? Very few schools will not deliver an adequate education to their higher achievers. Some will push them more than others, sure, but that doesn't make the others inadequate.

Where do you want those children to go then?

If a child in your kid's class needed glasses, you wouldn't complain that all of the children with good eyes weren't being given telescopes.

Isolation room? Or if it's a huge amount of kids a spare room where they aren't disturbing others

If they are being disruptive they aren't learning anyway. So remove them to not disturb others

That kid wouldn't be causing hassle for everyone else though.

Due to poor hearing I had to sit front row in class. Didn't affect anyone rlse

My child is well behaved with SEN and not disruptive in class. That's another bugbear of mine, when people assume SEN = bad behaviour (or vice versa!)

There's this phrasing that sen provision is there to help children reach full potential and it can lead to people thinking 'well all children deserve that', which is what I got from the op. But the adjustments my child has are to accommodate a disability so I just get frustrated with that line of thinking. He doesn't have the equivalent of a private tutor, he has recommendations from a paediatrician and speech therapy based on his diagnosis.

That might be what the comments have said, but the OP says that she doesn't like seeing that accommodations are being made for ND kids to cope with things like chill out areas and forest schools. Idk if NT children hate the forest or something? It's not clear what adjustments she thinks her bright, NT child needs.

He started the preschool of the school of which his siblings goes to. I suspect they didn't start the EHCP until his place was confirmed and they are saying it is a long process and they don't get funding for him. Well if you had started it in September...! I will just have to keep my fingers crossed but it does feel mostly lip services and promises they can't keep. See what happens. There are two other children who are more severe who probably should be given an SEN school space going in with him too.

How will they learn to behave and socialise properly if in isolation all the time?

Having worked in schools for decades I can confirm that the words most commonly heard are data, attendance and Ofsted.

Accommodations like glasses etc don’t affect anyone else.
accomodations like fiddle toys (latest research from EEF is saying no benefit anyway!) are distracting to all! Loud noises, argumentative behaviour, physical assault affects all children. Constant lateness to every lesson impacts every other child in that lesson. Needing support with every single task means other pupils don’t get any support.
This will be unpopular but even stuff like printing all PowerPoints, millions of different colours for different kids is starting to feel unsustainable. Some kids with ADHD don’t even have reasonable expectations of equipment as they can’t manage it, so it’s even more on the teacher. I don’t have any extra time in my timetable to print all these things. Printer is not near my classroom. Oh, and my school has no money for LSAs. Those with EHCP may have one if it is named in their EHCP but the vast vast majority do not. I teach 14 different classes each week by the way. It’s impossible to manage.

Neurodivergent children are not all “causing hassle for everyone else” by any stretch of the imagination.

It’s not millions of colours and you have PPA time every week. Doesn’t take two minutes to send PowerPoints to the printer each week in one batch. It’s part of your job.

Actually it does, I need to find the right coloured paper, put it in printer, the batches need to be broken up as 1 kid needs blue, another yellow, another beige…and so on. Do you really think I don’t have other things to do in my PPA time?! There’s always a queue for the printer. It sounds like it’s a quick job but it’s really not. And it’s on top of so many other “quick jobs” that as I said, these sorts of tasks are really starting to feel overwhelming. If you dare forget you get threatened with legal action by parents!
As I said I’m human, I’m 1 person, and I’m being 100% realistic about my personal capacity for these tasks.

An adequate education is one where a child:

1. is safeguarded and not in fear of violence
2. has a classroom environment free from disruption and are able to learn, and
3. is stretched to the extent of their abilities.

That’s an issue for the Local Authorities not the parent whose child isn’t given an opportunity to learn. I’d happily pay more tax so every child received ann adequate education.

Photocopying which you get paid to do really isn’t a big ask. Putting a few pages of coloured paper into to the drawer before hitting print which you’re doing anyway isn’t a big job.

Not the issue of the calm children to solve though is it. They have to give them a different provision, teach them how to behave THEN they might be allowed back in the classroom. Until then, no.