AIBU to refuse a Year 9 staying up for the 1am match?

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Is this unreasonable?
Apparently "every other mum" is letting their school year 9 kid watch the 1am match tonight and phone in sick to school tomorrow morning then go in at lunch.
I've said no to staying up to watch it. Starts at 1am, it will go on till 3:30am, or later if extra time!
DS has to get up at 6:30 for school.
DH says let him, keeps going on about once every 4 years experience, it's only 1 night, etc. And he says it will be the final England match - they'll be knocked out by Mexico tonight so there will be no other England games to watch after tonight.
DS badly needs his sleep and at 14 he still needs a solid 11 hours to function.
Is anyone else letting their DC watch it live tonight?
AIBU?

10 hours of sleep for a teenager is within the standard range.

https://www.sleepfoundation.org/teens-and-sleep/how-much-sleep-does-a-teenager-need

Teenagers need sleep! It is good for them.

This wouldn’t be an issue for me but then I’m also watching the match although it begins before what I would call my bedtime anyway . The only thing that would make me say no is if he hasn’t shown any interest in watching the other games as if he hasn’t then I’d say no to this one .

Luckily mum e have no i terest. If they did I would say go to bed early, we will wake you at 1, watch the match then back to bed with you and you power through the next day. No missing school or after school clubs etc

Let him stay up and watch it fgs. It’s a one-off, or maybe once every 4 years if you want to look at it that way. How would you have felt if everyone saw something and you didn’t and as a result you felt left out at school? It’s really not a big ask, poor kid!

The staying up isn't the issue. It's the parents then allowing their kids to miss school the next day that is. They need to learn that you miss sleep you still have responsibilities and still need to crack on and do it.

I’d record it and let him wake up earlier like 5am to watch it. Phones off etc so no seeing the result beforehand!

I am making myself tidy up the living room between games tonight. Next door is always putting their spin dryer on at about midnight, so I am vacuuming at midnight this time.

C'mon Norway, C'mon England.

I have just bet.

Erling Haaland & Harry Kane, anytime goals corer including extra time at 9 - 2. Surely, that's a dead cert.

This!

I’m the mother of an older autistic DS who is quite obsessive about his sleep and going to bed at a fixed time.

I’d let him watch it if he was 14 but, he has to not moan about the consequences, or wake me up!

I hate football but the World Cup is only once every 4 years and hopefully it’ll be England’s last match.

I had a similar dilemma for our 11yo, but for a different country's match. We let him stay up for matches starting at 11pm (school night - still went to school the next day) and 2am (weekend) just because it was such a rare event! Nothing awful happened. He was tired at school but then slept normal hours the following night. Unless there's something very important on at school the next day, what's the real, long-lasting harm of staying up?

Having read the full thread, one key takeaway is how many people can imagine that because something isn’t their own lived experience no one else could possibly have done it… just because you don’t know anyone who didn’t go clubbing at 14(I didn’t), remember fondly being woken up in the middle of the night to watch sport (I don’t), some people need/want a lot of sleep (sadly DS is the exact opposite) and believe it or not some parts of the UK call football soccer as ‘football’ means GAA… doesn’t mean other people can’t.

For what it’s worth - which is nothing like the same as everyone else’s opinion as he’s not our child - I’d say he can do what he wants, but he’s going to school tomorrow. And recommend the bed then alarm approach rather than staying up. That’s what I’ll be doing.

I another who would let them watch the game, but would still send them to school at the normal time. Being tired for the day is ok.

So he is a super happy, bright and full of the joys boy 24/7 but also an ‘easily overcome and very overwhelmed’ SEN child as you said earlier. You’re not making sense.

Again, only on mumsnet can a post about me thinking amy DS14 staying up till 3:30/4 am on a school night isn't a good idea could it turn into a deluge of criticism about me being a controlling parent. Controlling parents say a hard no, don't listen to reason, and don't reflect by asking if they're BU on a parenting forum?

well 78% have said YABU so I guess he’s staying up now then?

Just use the generic football phases:

England never do things the easy way.
We/they weren't clinical enough.

In the Azteca the crowd really were the 12 man.

Kane is strong but England lacked depth.

Anything to do with "pressing", we pressed, they pressed.

Or you can use the new ones for this world cup to be on track.

Mexico parked the bus. Everyone's parking bus this year.

It really was a match of four quarters.

Making football small talk without watching football is a life skill.

Anyone living near a pub might be woken up anyway .............

The OP is just here for the fight.

Go out in the street at 3 am - you might get one.

Why are you hoping it will be England’s last match?!

So he is a super happy, bright and full of the joys boy 24/7 but also an ‘easily overcome and very overwhelmed’ SEN child as you said earlier. You’re not making sense.

Yes, that's right.
Some (not all, some) children who are ND with SEN who get sensory overload and overwhelm in response to certain situations and triggers can simultaneously have happy characters and delightful personalities, lead fulfilled lives and enjoy a variety of physical activities.
Please don't stigmatise children and young people with SEN like this.

This. Bed by 9pm. Get up 1-3am to Watch the match if you like but still up at 6am for paper rounds before school.

After being told that 77% of posters think YABU op have you changed your mind?

It would be reasonable for her not to change her mind with some of the hostile/OTT responses. It gives the impression some of them aren't of sound mind and in no position to be dishing out advice.

OP asked a question, meaning she was unsure of her own stance. For some reason, it got quite a few posters frothing at the mouth.

It would have been perfectly reasonable to respond with the likes of "it only happens every 4 years. It's a cultural moment. Just let him stay up and be a part of it". That would have been fine. But there's been people calling her controlling, jumping to conclusions with other details, and all sorts 😂. MN is wild.

I’ve told my Year 9 son he’s welcome to watch the match but he still has to go to school. Being tired for one day isn’t the end of the world! By the next World Cup they will probably be in the pub watching every game with their mates. I’ll make the most of him watching at home with me.

So has your poor child been put out of his misery and can now look forward to watching the match ?

Kick-off may still be delayed due to storms.