AIBU to think some offenders should never be released?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2wl6ynn2no

The Home Office said Ahmed's crimes were "appalling" and that he would be subject to stringent licence conditions upon his release from prison.

He has the right to be in the UK. Fine. But here’s a wild idea - why not keep him locked up and safe from any further victims until he is dead ?

why on earth is this man being released into society. Why does he get to enjoy time as a free man when his victims will live with his terrible actions forever? It’s an absolute kick in the guts to any victims of this awful crime.

It makes sense surely not to pose any further risk to anyone. Where is the justice in this ?

There are remote territories and islands, I don't know why we don't use them more often.

You could set up 24 hour cameras ala big brother and charge a subscription. It would pay for itself.

It's what happened to men who did this to a European tourist. It is not what happens when they do this to Pakistani women and girls. Fuck all happens then, and there's fuck all reporting on it.

copy the old soviet union close cities idea but for undesirables of society

Retrospective laws are generally considered a hallmark of tyranny.

The death penalty resulted in wrongful accusations and wrongful deaths. Some people here don't remember the wrongful hanging of Timothy Evans for the crimes of serial murder John Christie in 1950. This must never happen again.

Can the victims sue him for damages? Take his house off him if he has one?

Well, it would only be where there was 100% certainty of guilt.

That is not an adequate failsafe.

The options are not death penalty OR freedom of Rochdale

He should be deported, if Pakistan will not have him then Rochdale certainly should not have to put up with his return.

I am not an expert and do not know the bet solution but it is not one or the other. There is the option to protect the victims here without the state killing him.

They could.

But someone who has no assets, has no assets.

My niece was sexually abused (thankfully didn’t get as far as rape, but it has still affected her life in ways we would never have imagined) by her mums bf. She did not get a guilty verdict until a second trial with more evidence and after he had been caught for raping another child. He got 6 years for the rape and 18 months for what he did to my niece. Was out in less than 3 years.

Within a year of being out he had another conviction for raping another child. This all started 20+ years ago. We recently found out from someone he has been charged with raping other children (it is escalating as last two were drugged) several more times, mixture of guilty and not guilty outcomes, sometimes jailed again and then let out to reoffend. Always targets single mums, or grandmothers. He is currently out.

My thoughts - there are so many of these beasts out there they simply don’t have enough prisons to house them all for significant periods. After seeing the permanent life changing impact on my niece, I can’t bear to even think of those other children’s damaged lives.

If we can’t house them in prison, bring back the death penalty, or screw their human rights and have prisons here like CECOT to keep them in for life and give them the choice of assisted suicide if they want it. Children deserve to be protected from these predators.

It is a tight knit community that protects child rapists. If he did own a property it would be his brothers or cousins within an hr of any legal action.

People who do not live near these communities have no understanding or what they are like and how little the Police intervene.

The men are involved in large scale serious organised crime, it is not just the rape of children. https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15933431/Lancashire-town-terrorised-machete-drug-gangs.html

The children have been trafficked and prostituted by these men, this is how all their families make their living. They have superb lawyers at immediate disposal - remember how quickly this happened:

and we all know the truth now, which was violent thugs attacked the armed Police.

The chances of one of these young women having the resources to sue is next to zero. These men have everything they do not, money, resources, a tight knit community and the support of the UK state and police

The problem is with concurrent sentences - people should serve a sentence for everything they do, so if they start the next sentence when the first one finishes. It's crazy that someone can do something ten times and serve a low sentence, as though they did it once.

In some US states, they do get consecutive sentences.

Its about prosecuting these men for organised crime, rape, child rape, making images of child rape, prostituting children, torturing children, giving drugs to children, giving alcohol to children, drug dealing, human trafficking - the list is much longer than this. This is not a case of a paedophile sexually abusing children, despicable as that is. These are criminal gangs and they should be prosecuted using the full strength of the law. In this sort of gang the sentancing allows up LIFE for kidnap or false imprisonment alone. This is what needs changing.

These are not poor immigrants who do not know better, these are large scale ultra violent criminal gangs and if they were Liverpudlian, Mancunian or London gangs they would feel the full force of the law. As they should.

On balance, would there be more innocent people harmed by wrongful convictions, or more innocent people harmed by just letting these beasts out over and over again to walk amoungst us?

Because right now it seems like there is plenty of evidence to show thousands of young girls have had their lives destroyed, and in some cases taken from them completely.

And we are told we can't protect them properly, because we can't deport, imprison the monsters for life or even face up to the fact that there is an alien culture that hates young white girls enough to systematically rape and abuse them.

And I'm willing to bet there would be far fewer hypothetical 'innocent' criminals harmed than actual innocents are being harmed now if the evidence bar was high enough.

When they are no longer a risk to society (or that aspect of society which they hurt)

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15943229/Rochdale-grooming-gang-victim-says-scared-safety-hearing-ringleader-soon-walk-free-prison-deported.html

Sadly, I don’t think that will be the case.

Shabir is a very well connected man and had a lot of support during the court case. He knows people in positions of power. He had quite a lot of people giving him character references for his defence. Someone did a FOI request on this a few years ago.

I reckon as soon as they let him out of the secure accommodation they’ve got him in, he’ll move to a predominantly Pakistani area where he knows people and already has strong connections. It obviously won’t be Oldham or Rochdale, it will probably be in a different part of the country. I think he’ll live an easy, stress free life. He might abuse women and girls again or he might decide he’s getting old now and can’t be bothered - make no mistake though, that will be his decision. If he abuses again, it will be covered up again.

His 22 year sentence was a piss take for what he’s done but for him to only serve 14 years is sticking two fingers up to all his victims.

I was pleasantly surprised to see Starmer giving instructions to review deportation legislation.

Review? As in: have a quick look.. or at least say you’re having a quick look, before shelving the issue again?

Our strength is in our unity with abusive mysogynists and all that?

He will go back to his Pakistani extended family and clan and be welcomed back as a survivor of the racist British state who didn't do nuffing.

I live locally, I know he has a tracker and isn't allowed into Rochdale or Oldham but I don't think this is enough. Rochdale has boarders with other towns such as Bury and Manchester (i think Middleton is part of Rochdale council township). He should be banned from the North West or ideally still locked up if he cannot be deported.