AIBU to think some offenders should never be released?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2wl6ynn2no

The Home Office said Ahmed's crimes were "appalling" and that he would be subject to stringent licence conditions upon his release from prison.

He has the right to be in the UK. Fine. But here’s a wild idea - why not keep him locked up and safe from any further victims until he is dead ?

why on earth is this man being released into society. Why does he get to enjoy time as a free man when his victims will live with his terrible actions forever? It’s an absolute kick in the guts to any victims of this awful crime.

It makes sense surely not to pose any further risk to anyone. Where is the justice in this ?

For some, life should be the rest of your life I agree. Perhaps with the technicality that you might release them a few days before death if they have a terminal illness.

Perhaps that 1971 law should be updated so that people like him can be deported. Seems weird that he can lose British citizenship but not British residency. And yes he should die in prison.

I used to be vehemently opposed to the death penalty.

But for people like him, I think that's the best solution to this problem.

I would be in favour of life imprisonment for him. I think sentences are the way they are to reduce the cost of housing inmates.

The people of Rochdale want him booted out of the country and it's simply unacceptable that the government of Pakistan are refusing to take him back.

I think the MP is off his rocker though, he was a British citizen too, why should Pakistan take him.

Agreed it probably comes down to money. And if that is true, what a disgusting message.

Well, some offenders are never released. I think your AIBU is that you think he specifically should never be released.

There are three problems here, in my opinion.

First, I believe the Immigration Act 1971 should be changed. I believe that if you are convicted of a crime above a threshold of severity then you should be deported after your prison sentence, regardless of how long you have already lived here.

Second, he was convicted of rape and sexual assault and sentenced to 22 years in prison, yet he is being released with restrictions after 14 years. I believe offenders should serve their full prison sentence in prison.

Third, I believe rape convictions should carry a harsher sentence, particularly in long-term and multiple victim cases such as this. He didn’t only commit offences himself, he was the ringleader of a gang. He should have received a full life sentence for those combined crimes.

The thing is, he isn’t the only one is he. So my AIBU relates to some offenders should never be released.

I agree with all of your other points though. He was convicted of horrendous crimes that his victims will live with the trauma for the rest of their lives.

if he can’t be deported. He should not be a free man. License or no license.

I’d rather he was given a lethal injection. Humanity failed on that one, abort.,

How would you amend the Immigration Act 1971 to force Pakistan to take back a criminal who is a danger to their citizens, who has British citizenship too, and who committed his crimes in the UK?

Firstly we end up with two tier justice where people who have been UK citizens from birth get treated differently from those who acquired UK citizenship later in life.

Then there is a question about whet will happen to them after deportation as many could be either a risk in the Country they are deported to OR at risk of violence.

Finally some years ago now the UK was faced with having to accept several British Citizens who had left as children back after they had served prison sentences in their new home nations and The Government was none to happy about it.

I don't know what the recidivism rate is for offences like this is, and I'm sure there are lots of factors involved, but imo someone who does this has a view of women and girls that cannot be altered, and they shouldn't have to be around these pigs. I know we have Sarah's and Clare's laws, but I wish there was some way of alerting women, and parents of girls, who these animals are so they can choose not to be around them. But then I don't believe in vigilantism. And I also don't think deporting him to a country with even less safeguarding measures or consequences for VAWG is a positive step either.

I am not talking about deportation here.

he legally cannot be deported, that’s accepted.

what isn’t accepted is what he can do to young children and be released later in life.

he shouldn’t be able to be a risk to British or Pakistani members of society.

He has Pakistani citizenship through birth, he is Pakistani. So the issue isn’t around forcing Pakistan to take him back.
The reason he won’t be deported is because he came to live in the UK before 1973 and was living here for at least five years before deportation was a consideration. That’s what I believe should be amended in the Act. That deportation would happen following a conviction above a certain severity regardless of how long the person has lived here or when they arrived.
If you want to live in any country and take up citizenship, you live by the laws of that country. If you break the law, you lose the right to live there.

This is exactly the sort of case which will persuade millions of normal decent people who do not consider themselves to be racist to decide they have no other option than to vote for Reform at the next election.

The legal & judicial system which allows this to happen is fundamentally broken & requires wholesale reform to protect society, particularly women & children from an imported backward misogynistic culture which despises them & treats them as prey.

But how would you force Pakistan to take him? Why isn't this an issue?

I think he should serve the entire 22 year sentence.

Nothing more or less. Releasing him after just 14 years is unacceptable.

Lovely news for one of his victims to hear of his release. More injustice on a grand scale. I have no faith in any precautions that are set up to monitor an offender, whose crimes were classed as serious.

We were promised rapists wouldn't qualify for early release. Another u-turn from this wonderful government.

I don’t think the previous government handled parole any differently

He has members of his family constantly harassing victims now, and the Police do nothing. These men are still being enabled.

Irrelevant. We are in the here and now. This scumbag carried out serious and heinous crimes. Labour's reforms were meant to exclude such crimes from the prospect of early release. Yet here we are. I'm sure there will still be room for hurty tweets though.

We know the reason why. Nothing has been learned from Henry Nowak.

I wouldn’t force Pakistan to take him, I wouldn’t need to. Pakistan wouldn’t need to take him, he has Pakistani citizenship through birth, he can go freely into Pakistan. It isn’t an issue of who should “take him”, it’s an issue of who, and how, someone is entitled, or not, to hold citizenship of a country and live there.

He said this in court, remember, he stood and shouted these words at the judge:

"We are the supreme race, not these white bastards"
"White people trained those girls to be advanced in sex"
"I curse you, I curse you at night I curse you and your families, your families will get it"

He has shown zero remorse and continues to harass the victims and their children.

But Pakistan refuse to take him back. So he can’t move freely.