To think we need to start talking about the lack of jobs?

[Newmeagain]

This is prompted by quite a few threads I have read recently, from parents of young people looking for jobs or posters themselves struggling with finding a job.

I feel like a lot of responses are completely out of touch and people are not aware how hard it is right now. There are no “supermarket jobs” etc that you can just pick up.

I think this is having a particularly significant impact on school leavers and graduates looking for their first full time job, students wanting part time work and also anyone over 50 who suddenly finds themselves unemployed.

So Bresit and Austerity and 16 years of Tory government had no impact ?

But the emphasis of that 'report' was on looking at the behaviour of young people around education, employment and training. The emphasis wasn't on job creation. They can tell us what the problem is but they're woefully short on real, long-term solutions 🤷🏻‍♂️

£15 is the basic, £30 is only on double time days. It’s the same salary the company offers across the country to everyone age 16 or 65.

The few supermarket jobs I see are either zero hour or 12 hours a week or very part time.
The only full time jobs in abundance seems to be care work at the minimum wage - working in care homes run and owned by huge conglomerates charging residents £1500 per week. Absolute piss take.
There is a serious lack of well paid jobs.
£24k seems to be top dollar around here!

I work in HR and what's becoming common now is what i call 'attrition restructuring ' where rather than made redundancies you wait for people to leave and see how the work can be done with fewer people. Ironically I'm not free of this myself having had to shrink my team after resignations and now 2 of us doing the work of 5.

It's happening in a lot of places. Especially with AI in the mix.

It’s not that its one person getting, and then helping their mates get on and/or manufacturing issue to get people out then getting your mates in. Similar pattern across different sectors. Not saying this is all, but it’s been noted as common pattern in a few work places unfortunately.

i think a lot more stories will
start coming out in the next year or so. In the lot of cities almost all retail roles are occupied by them. Its a bit bizarre actually.

They aren’t immigration is down to 1/5 of what it was 2 years ago. But people are already here and Boris was letting in 1m people a year ffs.

I think we may just be lucky. I was made redundant, August 2024, aged 61 and had a new full time marketing manager role (£50k-ish) within 7 weeks.
Ds17 started looking for a Saturday job as a pool lifeguard in July last year and was employed in August. He was getting a bit low because he'd been ignored by a few people but I kept encouraging him to keep asking, and it worked. I checked with reception as we were leaving after a swim, and was told of a vacancy in the same group, next town.

It's tough out there but focus on your skills, be persistent and keep asking. Take anything to get through the door.

Occupied by THEM?

Wow.

We just get fed so many narratives. On the one hand we have less children being born and an aging population so are heading towards a shortfall in workers, usually said to justify the need for immigration. . And on the other hand we’re being told that there will be less jobs due to AI and the increase in NMW.

It’s not racist to state fact - India has taken over a lot of our customer service jobs. What is racist is British companies moving their jobs to India because labour is cheaper.

Because British people think these jobs are below them. And don’t want to work for minimum wage. They’d rather whine about it and take UC.

Good luck to those who decide to take on these jobs, they deserve to have them.

It’s so weird I live in an extremely diverse area and I’d say Indian is probably one of the lower numbers of races in the area but every single shop except for small owner staffed businesses has only Indian staff. Any small, midsized or big chain is only staffed by one race.

noticing that isn’t about racism, it’s actually strange if you don’t notice. I’ve never noticed the racial make up of shop staff before

It might be "entitled" to expect that sort of starting salary if the housing, energy and cost of living crises had never happened. But they have, and if they'd happened to you when you were in your early twenties, with the underlying message now being 'things will only get worse', I expect you'd have felt 'entitled' too 🙄

I think she's talking about Indian call centres which are in the majority.

Do you think the employees in India are earning the equivalent of the British minimum wage ?

Two of my kids are employers.

One will hire young people seasonally, they either don't apply or if he takes them on don't turn up at weekends because they're hungover or meeting friends.

The other requires Bsc applicants in his field. They want to work in cities, not towns.

Riiiight !!

oliviaAustin why are you doing a third degree?

This is such rubbish. There is a food chain that doesn’t use Deliveroo drivers they employ local young adults and train them on foh. Everyone shops there to support their initiative.

young people are begging for the opportunity to work. Yes, sure some don’t. Especially those who come from families of low expectations or long term unemployment but most young peope want the freedom that money brings. They don’t care about it being in fast food etc. it’s not the early 2000s. The approach to minimum wages and food service work has changed. A lot.

@hereforthelolz I think the narrative that British workers won't take jobs because 'they're below them' or 'they want UC' is absolute bollocks.

I think employers prefer people who are already trained so they don't have to pay for training and who don't know their rights so can be easily exploited.

British workers were carers, cleaners, construction workers for years - what happened??

In areas like construction, tradies were undercut by people coming in, offering to work cheaper and so the trades became harder to access and less profitable. Add to that the massive bureaucracy for taking on apprentices, which is why there are few new tradies.

This has happened because of government policies, not individual choices.

I work in NHS and we are severely understaffed on our wards, but yet no job vacancies.

However, we have a massive choice of agency workers to cover our staffing issues which costs significantly more to pay them.

Them is a collective pronoun. Nothing wow about it

I mentioned this on another thread, the India trade deal has made it cheaper to employ Indians. There is a national insurance exemption to employers for employing Indian nationals. The government have truly screwed us.