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To worry about a GE but think it could be our route back to the EU 🤞🏻

126 replies

CurdinHenry · 23/06/2026 16:03

Surely surely cmon there's got to be a limit to how much poorer we want to get

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letsallchant · 23/06/2026 22:21

MrsPapillon · 23/06/2026 17:43

Michel Barnier said just last weekend that he didn’t see any reason why UK couldn’t rejoin under our old terms (ie. keep the pound and not be part of Schengen).

Yes! And if we could re join on our old terms, that would be a game changer for many

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/uk-could-keep-special-pre-brexit-terms-if-it-rejoined-eu-michel-barnier-says

UK could keep special pre-Brexit terms if it rejoined EU, Michel Barnier says

Exclusive: Former chief Brexit negotiator says staying out of euro and Schengen area would be ‘perfectly possible’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/uk-could-keep-special-pre-brexit-terms-if-it-rejoined-eu-michel-barnier-says

Loopylalalou · 23/06/2026 22:32

CurdinHenry · 23/06/2026 20:32

To be able to trade freely with every single country in the EU

To be able to work, study, explore the entire continent of Europe freely

You sound like someone bitter who is stuck in the fifties

"Who would want to do a PhD for free ANYWAY"

I did say provable benefit. You’ve listed a bunch of might be may be’s.

Loopylalalou · 23/06/2026 22:35

nearlylovemyusername · 23/06/2026 21:14

I'm so sorry, I know that Remainers lost by calling Leavers thick, but... how else can I call this post??

No not thick. And not inclined to answering something at odds with my view with insults.
i did my research, at some length, from a wide variety of sources. Did you?

Femalemachinest · 23/06/2026 22:39

CurdinHenry · 23/06/2026 17:09

I despair at how small and unimaginative and unsuccessful people have dragged us all down. Because they feared foreigners? You're much more likely to have a foreign carer wiping your bum in old age now than when we were in the EU.

Theres no need to insult people. People who voted to leave probably also think similar things of you

CurdinHenry · 24/06/2026 07:10

Loopylalalou · 23/06/2026 22:32

I did say provable benefit. You’ve listed a bunch of might be may be’s.

I've listed things that did happen before. You shouldn't vote.

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CurdinHenry · 24/06/2026 07:10

Femalemachinest · 23/06/2026 22:39

Theres no need to insult people. People who voted to leave probably also think similar things of you

There's every need when their small brains made my life smaller.

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frozendaisy · 24/06/2026 07:21

Even fishermen say Brexit is a disaster and a lot of the Leave campaign was about fish!

frozendaisy · 24/06/2026 07:23

Labour, with Burnham I presume, would have to win the next general election for another EU vote to be even an option.

Blogswife · 24/06/2026 07:41

Chritrup · 23/06/2026 16:54

Interesting. Virtually everyone I know would rejoin, and that includes some Brexit voters.

The leave voters that I know admit that they were wrong & all of my friends who voted remain would rejoin in a heartbeat but obviously it would depend one what lies and hostility the right could whip up ahead of another Referendum .
People are pretty gullible still and seem receptive to whatever propaganda the Right will spin , so I’m not so hopeful

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CurdinHenry · 24/06/2026 07:52

The BBC still can't even just come out and say "this was a stupid act of self harm". Just "some people believe it's not as bad as it could have been".

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GasPanic · 24/06/2026 08:57

That article is a bit of a joke IMO.

I loved the bit about CE, having put 2 (actually innovative) products through CE testing myself. I suppose it's unrealistic to expect economists to have a good grasp on this.

The graph showing the UK comparison to those highly comparable economies such as Ireland, Luxembourg and the US is a peach. Bring back Liz Truss with her low corporation tax. All is forgiven.

I didn't realise how much of a boom their had been in services and obviously this offsets a lot of the changes in goods. Since the UK economy appears to be 80% services this is where the action is. Not counting trains in and out of the tunnel. Maybe worth devoting 80% of the article to this rather than focus on the decline in goods. Our economy is changing as result of Brexit. I think most people expected this.

There are a number of other things that made me chuckle but there isn't enough time in the day.

If there is one point I would agree with it is the difficulty of small business exporting to the EU and the impact it has had having experienced this myself. The government needs to work harder here to help small business. But there is probably an argument that the money might be better spent encouraging UK small business to export to areas that are less protectionist rather than trying to flog the dead horse.

It seems like every prediction of doom has some sort of counter point. I'm sure people will make up their own minds, but there isn't much clear here IMO.

It would have been nice to have the GDP growth historical by country. That single clear figure people tend to correlate with economic performance (somewhat flawed maybe but is what it is). Unfortunately that appears to have been forgotten.

Loopylalalou · 24/06/2026 09:25

Well, @GasPanic I thank you for a reasonable post. I don’t understand all
of it, but you’ve presented a strong contribution to the discussion.
I do wonder why so many think it’s acceptable to abuse someone with a different idea than them (me!) rather than present a reasonable argument against those beliefs.
I do knowingly poke and prod a bit when I see such vacuousness which admittedly may not help, but why oh why can people not discuss rather than abuse?

Teddybear23 · 24/06/2026 11:40

Chritrup · 23/06/2026 16:54

Interesting. Virtually everyone I know would rejoin, and that includes some Brexit voters.

I agree with the other person, I know of nobody at all that wants to re-join. All the people I know voted leave.

khw666 · 24/06/2026 12:30

My DB earns a lot of money lorry driving post Brexit and he says absolutely not to rejoining. There are people who have benefitted like him and his colleagues.

Just like there are losers. One lady who lived near me used to employ EU staff and she is intent on rejoining. It has taken over her life! She posts regularly on FB and was at the gathering in London last Saturday. She is now trying to gather supporters to hand out EU berets and flags at the last night at the proms.

It is not a hot topic between me and my friends, but if anyone wants my opinion I can't see the benefit to rejoining as it means that people from 27 EU countries can decide to work or retire here, pushing down wages. Estimates put the number of EU citizens who came here at around 5 million, with just 1.5 million UK citizens moving the other way. So the FOM balance was always in the EU's favour.

Plus Spain are due to hand residency to 500k undocumented illegal immigrants. 900k actual applied and now Spain are considering giving residency to all of them. What message does this 'Spain Wave' give? Where will these people end up? Can you image the British press if we was still part of the EU?

DaisyDooley · 24/06/2026 12:39

hellesbells · 23/06/2026 21:19

We aren’t, the US are followed by Canada then France, the UK sit in the middle with barely any difference between us and Japan

The Prime Minister during PMQs has just said “We are the fastest growing economy inthe G7”
Maybe you should email his office and tell him he was wrong.

Loopylalalou · 24/06/2026 13:03

DaisyDooley · 24/06/2026 12:39

The Prime Minister during PMQs has just said “We are the fastest growing economy inthe G7”
Maybe you should email his office and tell him he was wrong.

I think that has been widely discredited across the press.

Pearshapedpear · 24/06/2026 13:33

Let’s hope it’s not our route

DBSFstupid · 24/06/2026 13:36

CurdinHenry · 23/06/2026 16:03

Surely surely cmon there's got to be a limit to how much poorer we want to get

Sorry replied to wrong poster.

DBSFstupid · 24/06/2026 13:38

CurdinHenry · 23/06/2026 16:03

Surely surely cmon there's got to be a limit to how much poorer we want to get

😂😂😂

ACynicalDad · 24/06/2026 13:40

I suspect that at some point the EU will evolve into a two speed europe, a very connected euro zone and a less connected version that may include us, swtizerland, norway and the nordics not in the eurozone, ukraine and possibly a couple of others, it will take a while, but that's probably the place for us. Macron moving on may help, although I think he was keen on the model he was around for Brexit, need the next generation.

DaisyDooley · 24/06/2026 14:07

Loopylalalou · 24/06/2026 13:03

I think that has been widely discredited across the press.

Gosh imagine that. A Labour PM who hasn’t got a clue about the economy,
Who would have thought it.

GasPanic · 24/06/2026 15:03

ACynicalDad · 24/06/2026 13:40

I suspect that at some point the EU will evolve into a two speed europe, a very connected euro zone and a less connected version that may include us, swtizerland, norway and the nordics not in the eurozone, ukraine and possibly a couple of others, it will take a while, but that's probably the place for us. Macron moving on may help, although I think he was keen on the model he was around for Brexit, need the next generation.

It already is. The EZ and everyone else in the EU outside of it.

The problem is that the EZ is quite a strong monetary union but quite an ill disciplined fiscal one, with many states running large budget deficits that are currently backed by the economic strength of the core (Germany, Netherlands). There is a lack of will to try and impose the fiscal discipline, so sooner or later it may go horribly wrong (again).

Maybe next time the bust will be so big no one wants to risk the bailout, or no one needing to be bailed out will be willing to be cowed by accepting the same conditions the Greeks were. Or maybe they will manage to avoid it and somehow impose the fiscal discipline to stop it happening again at the same time. Who knows.

Any future crisis along these lines will undoubtably affect us, but less so if we are outside the EU rather than in it.

Loopylalalou · 24/06/2026 16:29

DaisyDooley · 24/06/2026 14:07

Gosh imagine that. A Labour PM who hasn’t got a clue about the economy,
Who would have thought it.

Maybe you’re not that far wrong. Irrespective of party.

WarwickDavis · 24/06/2026 16:32

Chritrup · 23/06/2026 16:45

DD is the fastest growing kid in her class. She’s still 3ft tall.

That's a good height.