Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

Oh and let’s not forget the Tories knew what a catastrophe they’d caused and how it’s virtually impossible for them as a party to sort it so they legged it and left it to others to try to sort the mess whilst criticising from the sidelines with zero policies.

And as regards Reform!🤣

Exactly

I think people want 'change'. Labour's campaign focused heavily on that. It wasn't vote Labour as much as vote Andy for a change from the government. People like and trust him and believe he can do it.
Reform offering up an insultingly poor candidate helped. Though perhaps he was the best they had.
Had Labour not focused on change via Burnham then people may well have been inclined to vote for change via Reform. How reluctantly, and how much as a positive endorsement of their policies, its hard to know, since much pro Reform talk is centred on Labour criticism rather than enthusiasm for what Reform will do differently. As no one seems clear on the details of that.

Burnham’s return is inevitable as Starmer was never a leader and Rachel Reeves is a shocking chancellor.

Starmer has made terrible mistakes:

• Mandelson at the heart of government
• Making it too expensive to give school leavers a foot in the door to build experience
• Putting up business rates and employers national insurance means job losses are mounting and growth stalling
• Not getting to grips with a growing welfare bill we can’t afford.

All this is on his and Rachel’s watch, not the Tories.

He has done better on the global stage as he’s surrounded by technocrats there, just like him.

Burnham will feel like a fresh breadth of air but has been soft on putting the above right and is tacking left. The markets will punish him if veers left.

We can’t afford to be the country Labour want.

Yeh those Mandelson excuse posts won’t wash.

This! Or do we want to just stand back and dig an even bigger hole. No thanks, we’re not all that dim.

It may not explain the vote share but I was responding to the poster who said that the only people who vote Labour are people who want to be subsidised by the state. That is not why I vote Labour.

Not everyone believes the current narrative that the only reason we have lots of people who are on benefits is because we have had a Labour government for two years who want everyone to be on benefits in order to keep them downtrodden and voting for them.

We have lots of people receiving in work benefits due to low pay, or receiving state pensions. As someone child free with an income of much more than £50k I am “happy” to pay my share to make society more equitable. There may be more of us than you think.

That said, I don’t think Burnham is a golden ticket. We have too many problems as a country, which have been coming over 20 years. Too much of our income is in the hands of the super rich, and hence not available for infrastructure and other projects.

I honestly can’t understand why so many people are convinced by him. It will just be more of the same. No plan and u-turns galore.

I do like Andy Burnham. It's a sad day for Manchester to lose him as mayor. However he's more left wing than Starmer at a time the population is swinging to the right so I think will finish Labour off.

I think overall he will be judged on whether he can turn the economy around. People will forgive him for being left wing if they have more money in their pocket. Sadly I think the economy is too far fucked for any fast fixes. But he seems to understand the need to invest for growth rather than austerity measures, or he has in Manchester anyway from what I can see.

Are you talking about the Tories?

It’s “hysterical” that you can’t read a post properly before commenting. I said, He will go down in history as being one of the worst PMs ever!
I would rather have Boris Johnson that Keir Starmer! Lisa Truss isn’t even worth mentioning.

I think this is actually a win for reform. Their candidate wasn’t really a challenge was he?

The great gain for Reform is the turmoil of political unrest and they are rubbing their hands together at the oncoming leadership challenge.

It is called subterfuge!

I don't know why you're laughing. Do you support a PM, who thinks a bloke can have a cervix and an incoming PM, who let's down young victims of racist grooming gangs? Let's not forget this government's early prison release scheme, which is in danger of letting free said racist rapists to free up more space. Yes, a right piss take.

Oh dear.

The Tories don’t need a plan. They are not in power. Some people seem to think that Labour can still act as if they are in opposition.

You can blame Reform voters according to Tice. Hilarious attempt by Tricky Dicky to play down yet another by-election loss.

Lots of sore Reform voters this morning. It is lovely to see.

I blame Streeting, not Burnham though for triggering the start of it all. The country desperately needs some stability and those two idiots are about to take it away from us in a depressing leadership contest where what we need is sensible.

This ^

I was so disappointed in Streeting going into sanctimonious power play when he was good mates with Mandy fgs. But he couldn’t resist sticking the knife in, et tu brute. And as someone pointed out earlier, the U turns are due to the Labour MPs themselves. Many of them are idiots.

I’m sick to death of this f’ing egotism driving our politics to such an extreme degree. This country does not need another leadership contest or another PM atm. Burnham could accept a cabinet position and help Starmer run this country but I doubt that would appease the man’s ego.

😂😂😂😂

Brexit was an unmitigated disaster for this country and a nice training lesson on dividing a nation and keeping us polarised and we've been polarised ever since.

The country was a mess before that and that was down to both the Conservatives and Labour (No money left - anyone remember?)

Since then it's got 100% worse and continues to gather momentum in that way?

There is NO way Burnham should be going for PM and I am baffled why anyone thinks he should.

I think if a party can't get their shit together on who leads them then a General election should be called.
They work for us (supposedly..) yet we are all working for them and the shitty decisions they keep making.

This is all paving the way for Reform to get in.

Remember Farage is a banker.

We need stability and someone who can represent us on the world stage and I believe Starmer is the right person at the moment. But he has brought this on himself by failing to replace Rachel Reeves with someone with strategies for economic growth. This is hugely disappointing and a very negative step. I’m dreading the direction we will go in now.

Labour rarely get rid of leaders and they want to for Starmer. He’s not liked at all, even his own party think he’s that bad.

Subterfuge? More like hilarious twisting of reality! You are as bad as Tice.

If Reform had won nothing would have changed, winning Makerfield wouldn’t have put them in government or made Farage prime minister. They would just have had one more MP.

What it would have done is stopped Burnham from winning and (probably) launching a bid to become prime minister.

This was not a Reform v Labour vote, it was a ‘Burnham to be prime minister or not vote’.

So if Reform had won, we wouldn’t now have the possibility of Burnham being PM.

Whilst I'm glad Reform lost (although I'm slightly concerned that they still got a substantial whack of votes), I'm not chuffed about it leading to another leadership contest.

I would a Prime Minister to actually stay the fucking course and stay in their position for an entire term. It's only been two years since the last election, people need to stop expecting instant wins, and parties need to stop knee jerk panicking and backstabbing just because the papers are being mean to them.