Burnham has won. More turmoil?

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Now Burnham has won, it will trigger a leadership contest, and if he wins, a new chancellor of the exchequer.

Surely this cannot be good for the country, or its finances?

YABU - Burnham is a true leader who will improve the UK for everyone and be a competent and respected leader.

YANBU - FFS, here we go again.

This is spades. Andy Burnham made a lengthy speech today about how he’s going to spend lots of money he doesn’t have. If he spends the money we’ll have to borrow more, our interest rate as well as the debt will go up and we will get sucked even further into a black hole. He’s an idiot. Anyone who encourages his idiotic policies is an idiot.

We need to cut welfare spending, send illegal immigration’s back home, and increase income tax. If he’s not talking about doing any of that then he’s talking utter shite, as the bond markets will be happy to spell out to him.

Not actual bodies, it's a phrase that means he knows the truth!

What money did he say he was going to spend? I listened to that speech closely and didn’t hear it.

And I'm a brain surgeon
On MN we can be anything we say we are.

I just don't recognise anything you are saying here.
If we were discussing perhaps Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak perhaps I would agree but I just don't see where Starmer is busily making such a fool of himself on the world stage?
I think he's actually been very dignified around the whole leadership debacle for example.
Can you give me concrete examples of where he is doing what you say?

I'm not saying it's Trump's fault but the choice of Mandelson was made because Trump needed to be sucked up to & McSweeny and his cronies mistakenly thought an old mate of his would be a good choice.
Maybe that's a bit too nuanced for you to understand but this is how politics often works & Trump is the kind of egotistical narcissist who needs careful handling.
If someone else had been in the White House I imagine no one would have thought of bringing Mandelson back.

He talked about putting apprenticeships first, about putting people not businesses first. We need to put businesses first as they are our only hope of getting out of the dire state we’re in. Do you seriously think Andy has a better plan no one has thought of? Cause I don’t.

Me neither. There's been rather a lot going on on the international stage (to put it mildly) and I think he's acquitted himself well there on the whole. We can't just live in a bubble and pretend that nothing beyond our shores impacts us and it can all be ignored.

And aside from Trump (who blows with the wind anyway...), I'm not aware of any other world leaders who have a particularly negative view of him.

Okay 😂

He talked about incentivising business to create apprenticeships so it is a route available to every young person leaving education. No detail. There are various ways that could be done - maybe removing or reducing employers’ NI for apprentices funded by no longer having to pay benefits. We need trades people - brickies, plasterers, plumbers, electricians - and we need people to learn those trades. It sounds entirely sensible and practical to me.

But he can't do that. Can you not see why? Firstly, it's not his area of expertise. Secondly, point one is entirely irrelevant because the government has to take independent legal advice. I mean... It's just one of those entirely non-controversial and incontestable areas of governance! It's so strange to have to explain it.

We don't have welfare in the first place so nothing to cut there.

If you're talking about benefits, they're an essential part of our capitalist system. Cut them too much, the whole thing collapses.

That's an argument for those who don't believe that human dignity and the right to live a life free of poverty is of any importance of course.

Come on, that's a cop out. Give us your hard evidence to back up your grandiose claim.
Aside from Trump, which global leaders think negatively of Starmer and why?
And I want evidence of where they have said or shown this.

Plus please explain exactly what he is doing on the world stage that is so wrong

This is for you @Flyingintotheunknown

Employers already pay zero NI on apprentices under 25.

Thank you. I didn’t know that. In which case some additional form of incentive could be applied.

I said he is making a fool of himself trying to make himself look like a big hero on the world stage while letting his own country decline! He is in fact a laughing stock and an embarrassment to our country! If you can’t see that then more fool you! He is a narcissist and anyone who can’t see that he only gives a shit about how he is perceived by other world leaders while allowing the UK to decline need to give their head a wobble! I cannot be arsed to argue with anyone who sings his praises and think he’s the best thing since sliced bread when literally everyone wants him gone. Why do you think someone stood down to give Burnham a chance hmmmm?

Chirp

oh the one who makes shit up and pretends I’ve said stuff I haven’t! Very rich coming from you 😂

It feels mean to tease you but you're getting confused.

Now step away from the keyboard. Have a break. Maybe even a KitKat.

Oh I don’t feel teased darling! I’m laughing at the loony left 😂

Please enlighten me though, how do you vote? Obvs not Labour, and apparently not Tory. Do I sniff a Reform fangirl? Is that why you're so upset right now?

I vote an independent! My MP is an independent 😊

Goody goody. Care to tell us who?