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AIBU to think adopted children need a mother figure?

325 replies

Bertiebiscuit · 18/06/2026 13:06

Men should not be allowed to adopt children. All children need a mother.

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Beachdrift · 18/06/2026 15:09

TeenToTwenties · 18/06/2026 15:03

It is a last resort.
Adoption is chosen as the 'least bad' option.

How much support and how many failures and retries are you happy with? Children alsi die in birth families known to SS because of countless chances.

There is no completely safe system.

This. And everyone screams about how the child should have been removed earlier.

Yes, absolutely there are birth parents who can, eventually, with intensive support, get their act together and start being able to potentially parent adequately. But their child can’t wait about in foster placements indefinitely in the hope that this happens.

ukathleticscoach2012 · 18/06/2026 15:11

Would be adopters or foster carers are heavily vetted

Unfortunately anyone can have kids

MrSchubertWhiskers · 18/06/2026 15:11

Amy437 · 18/06/2026 13:11

That's like saying that if a father is widowed he should rush out and remarry the first woman he sees so that the child has a mother figure. All a child needs is love whether that's from a mum and dad, two mums, two dads or a single parent

I agree, although I'd add safety - all a child needs is love & safety

MrFluffyDogIsMyBestFriend · 18/06/2026 15:11

I did click YANBU but maybe very very comprehensive psychological profiling would be more appropriate? By several different psychiatrists/psychologists who specialise in cluster B personality disorders. They'd have ways of questioning them that would get around the superficial charm that most people fall for.

User05677229 · 18/06/2026 15:12

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Stressedoutmummyof3 · 18/06/2026 15:12

Bertiebiscuit · 18/06/2026 13:06

Men should not be allowed to adopt children. All children need a mother.

How do you feel about two women adopting a child? Is that okay? Don't children also need a father figure?

MrFluffyDogIsMyBestFriend · 18/06/2026 15:14

ukathleticscoach2012 · 18/06/2026 15:11

Would be adopters or foster carers are heavily vetted

Unfortunately anyone can have kids

But that isn't the point. And they clearly aren't vetted enough by people who can identify psychopathy or this wouldn't have happened.

Jane379 · 18/06/2026 15:14

TigTails · 18/06/2026 13:12

This is SO unfashionable but I really think there’s a very good case for adoption by married, heterosexual couples only.

Adoption is for the benefit of the child. Not the potential parents.

You don't think lesbian couples should be able to adopt : why?

Jane379 · 18/06/2026 15:15

Stressedoutmummyof3 · 18/06/2026 15:12

How do you feel about two women adopting a child? Is that okay? Don't children also need a father figure?

Or a single woman?

ruethewhirl · 18/06/2026 15:15

CaragianettE · 18/06/2026 14:04

Like Fred West? That kind of married heterosexual? Great plan.

Exactly. Not to mention countless other married straight abusers.

JuliaRobHurts · 18/06/2026 15:15

YABU.

Clearly in response to Preston case which is ironic since Preston's biological mother murdered someone when she was 14.

StrawberryMatchaLatte · 18/06/2026 15:17

Very generally speaking, yes, I agree. Particularly babies/ toddlers. It's nature.

Mt563 · 18/06/2026 15:18

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Every child needs a father and mother.

How do you recommend we achieve this for all children? And is an abusive father/mother better than none? How quickly after the death of one parent should the remaining be forced to remarry? Who should single rape victims be paired up with if they chose to keep the child?

Every child needs a loving home with at least one safe adult.

Differentforgirls · 18/06/2026 15:19

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The damage was caused by people thinking all women are nurturing.

Beachdrift · 18/06/2026 15:20

MrFluffyDogIsMyBestFriend · 18/06/2026 15:14

But that isn't the point. And they clearly aren't vetted enough by people who can identify psychopathy or this wouldn't have happened.

So lobby for better funding for social workers so they’re not weighed down by huge caseloads and dropping balls.

LeaderBee · 18/06/2026 15:20

Rainbowshine · 18/06/2026 13:15

This is obviously a reaction to the Preston Davey case

100%

But its still a bullshit statement; plenty of abusers are women as well.

I can't remember the specific names but there was one mother who let her disabled child rot on a couch so badly that he skin had apparently began to fuse with the seat and all the piled up faeces and that more recent article about the young (20 something?) nursery care worker who was convicted for abusing children at the centre.

Anyone can be an abuser - this Anti-man sentiment on here is pretty disingenuous.

Differentforgirls · 18/06/2026 15:21

LeaderBee · 18/06/2026 15:20

100%

But its still a bullshit statement; plenty of abusers are women as well.

I can't remember the specific names but there was one mother who let her disabled child rot on a couch so badly that he skin had apparently began to fuse with the seat and all the piled up faeces and that more recent article about the young (20 something?) nursery care worker who was convicted for abusing children at the centre.

Anyone can be an abuser - this Anti-man sentiment on here is pretty disingenuous.

And dangerous.

ThePieceHall · 18/06/2026 15:21

Peacewillcome · 18/06/2026 14:51

Genuine, not loaded question as it’s been a while since I looked at adoption. I know that in general there is a shortage of people/couples waiting to adopt, but is that uniform per age group and by the child’s needs? Preston was a healthy baby (even typing that is so sad) and I thought that there would be a queue around the block. The agency even said that they didn’t ‘advertise’ him with a picture as he was so cute they didnt want to have too many applicants.

I think a danger with baby’s is that if you have never cared 24/7 for one, it is hard to imagine how much lack of sleep can impact. Throw in attachment issues and it’s no cakewalk.

I read a comment that they went through a 3 month vetting process with several online courses. When I looked at the possibilities for adoption many years ago, the process seemed much more extended.

good luck to you and your family (edit: I now notice you are an adopter of 20 years but the sentiment still applies!)

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Thank you, I appreciate your graciousness. I adopted two ‘healthy’ babies. The first came to me at Preston’s age with no known health needs, and very limited information from our then LA. As a grown woman now, she has the following health needs and diagnoses: registered blind, ADHD, ASD, PDA, personality disorder, neonatal abstinence syndrome and probably foetal alcohol spectrum disorder, plus a very rare autoimmune disease that requires weekly chemotherapy. Only the autoimmune disease was not caused by her in utero exposure to drugs, alcohol, poor nutrition, homelessness, chaos and multigenerational dysfunction. My second child, who came to me at 12-hours-old, is ‘only’ diagnosed with autism, ADHD and a sleep disorder that is medicated by a CAMHS psychiatrist. Both ‘healthy’ babies. I’m speculating (a lot) here but Sarah Davey, Preston’s birth mother looks extremely vulnerable to me and has apparently been in and out of prison for breaching the terms of her licence many times. I am reading between the lines but it is entirely possible that Preston did not have the best in utero experience either. Many of these difficulties do not become apparent in the very early years, but usually when children start school. There is a school of thought in the adoption world that with older children what you see is what you get, in very crude terms. Babies are not the blank slate who will not ‘remember’ and will grow up fine if only you can give them a stable and nurturing home. Love quite simply is not enough. These are society’s most vulnerable children by virtue of the fact that the family court has legally severed them from their family of origin. My eldest child spent her first days in withdrawal in SCBU and then had two foster families before she was a month old. I always ask people to try to imagine their own child in these situations and then think about why ALL care-experienced have lifelong issues.

I can’t comment on the training that the pair completed but I can only assume that because it was through a government-approved regional adoption agency (so a consortium of the nearest LAs) that they were properly vetted. There is no short-cut or fast-track route through the adoption approval process (even for the gays! Sorry, couldn’t resist.). It’s a highly intensive, highly intrusive process that takes over every aspect of your life, from examining your bank statements to contacting your exes for a reference, to interviewing your friends and family, to poring over your medical records, having to pay for a full physical medical and having health and safety checks on your home. Plus, there’s now a requirement for prospectives to commit to a lengthy period of volunteering with children, so in say, Brownie packs or Cubs - even for social workers and teachers. The ONLY thing I have taken away from all of the threads on here over the past few days that I would recommend to Josh MacAlister, the children’s minister so responsible for fostering and adoption, would be full evaluations by qualified and independent psychologists.

AutumnLover1990 · 18/06/2026 15:21

Children have still been abused or killed with a "mother" figure in the house. Social workers need to actually do their job. They've been useless. "Lessons will be learned" until the next poor child is failed 😡

TigTails · 18/06/2026 15:27

TigTails · 18/06/2026 13:12

This is SO unfashionable but I really think there’s a very good case for adoption by married, heterosexual couples only.

Adoption is for the benefit of the child. Not the potential parents.

Based on the number of likes this has had apparently it’s a popular view even if it’s not very trendy. 😅

Jane379 · 18/06/2026 15:30

TigTails · 18/06/2026 15:27

Based on the number of likes this has had apparently it’s a popular view even if it’s not very trendy. 😅

How many likes?

Do people really want to ban it for unmarried straight couples, single women and lesbians?

That cuts out quite a lot of potential adopters.

Beachdrift · 18/06/2026 15:31

TigTails · 18/06/2026 15:27

Based on the number of likes this has had apparently it’s a popular view even if it’s not very trendy. 😅

Can we stop pretending that it’s a matter of ‘trendiness’ rather than a resurgence of old-fashioned homophobia?

Redpaisley · 18/06/2026 15:33

Bertiebiscuit · 18/06/2026 13:06

Men should not be allowed to adopt children. All children need a mother.

Maybe but so many adopted kids are failed first by their own parents, then authorities who didn’t do their due diligence when sending kids to their adoptive families.
In baby Preston’s case, the adoptive father was a teacher who is already working with kids. So not only adoption staff failed but also those who do DBS checks and school. I think there should be an overhaul to the way society operates. Not sure how though.

Why are there sickos getting sexually attracted by a months old child? There should be some studies and medical tests to resolve this issue. Is it failing of society or the genetic issue?

Differentforgirls · 18/06/2026 15:33

Stressedoutmummyof3 · 18/06/2026 15:12

How do you feel about two women adopting a child? Is that okay? Don't children also need a father figure?

According to people on this thread that would be safe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36722114

Nyomi (left) and Rachel Fee murdered two-year-old Liam

Liam Fee: Mother and partner given life sentences

A mother is jailed for a minimum of more than 23 years and her civil partner for at least 24 years for the murder of her toddler son.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36722114

Beachdrift · 18/06/2026 15:34

Excellent post, @ThePieceHall. Depressing though it is that you’re having to dash between two (or at least two) worryingly under-informed and often deeply prejudiced current threads.