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Can’t get over poor baby Preston

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Doximama2 · 17/06/2026 11:32

Not sure this is an AIBU, I never post on here but just feel I want to today. I am a 59 year old nana of 3 gourgous grandchildren including a one year old boy, the whole story in the need the last few weeks and especially this week about poor baby Preston that was tortured, abused and ultimately murdered by his 2 adoptive “fathers” has completely traumatized me. I am recovering from a big surgery 2 weeks ago so feeling emotional but this has really upset me so much that this was able to happen and that no one, not any social services, medics on visits to the hospital - one even with a broken elbow ffs - friends and family of these monsters realised what was happening and that Preston wasn’t a happy one year old. My grandson is always happy and smiling unless he is poorly so how did this go unnoticed? I had to turn the news off Monday when they showed this poor baby trying to sleep and this monster kept making him wake up.

im not naive, I have worked in public service including health and social services which I think is why I can’t comprehend how this was allowed to happen. It just feels like there is so many awful things in the world, and has made me so sad. 😭

OP posts:
ShutupLwren · 17/06/2026 15:03

we’ve had some diabolical child murders over the last 50 years. I remember being pregnant and someone told me the full extent of what Peter Connolly had endured and I remember having a really unexpected reaction. The back of my face hurt because I couldn’t cry enough tears, similar to when a toddler falls over and then processes the shock, the tears that come after the silence.
Im a pretty tough old bird usually so I was very embarrassed and shocked by my reaction.
Prestons death has absolutely broken people. I’m devastated but I’ve got a lot of anger. They sought a child that would have been loved by the majority of people given that opportunity to care for him and they used him for the worst possible gratification. I can’t see either of them making it out alive. And fucking good.
I don’t know what the solution is but in the north west we’ve had baby Preston and Leyland James die at the hands of their adoptive parents and I’m not sure hearing “lessons have been learned” is going to make things better for anyone.

Dollymylove · 17/06/2026 15:04

Runningswanker · 17/06/2026 14:38

Sorry but the decision for him to be adopted has fuck all to do with diversity. If you're going to be indignant and pretend to care, have the respect to at least learn the basics of what you're protesting about, if you actually want anything to change.

Bollocks. His grandmother wanted to adopt him so he could grow up with blood family.
So why deprive him of that?

Ihateboris · 17/06/2026 15:05

LizardLore · 17/06/2026 11:54

As I understand it they were paedophiles so they actually got him solely for the purpose of abusing him. They did not mean to kill him.

It is awful to say but I think it is better for him that he died early than that he had to live the life they had planned for him.

Or social services could have done their jobs properly and saved him.

RIP baby Preston

ShesRunningOutTheDoor · 17/06/2026 15:05

Just a wonder. If you were gravely ill and going to die and had to give your children to total strangers. Would you choose a woman and a man or a man and a man. Truthfully. answers from your deepest maternal instinct. If it’s a woman and a man, why should the state choose any different? Why are children’s needs, rights, protections not put first?

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 17/06/2026 15:08

I've said this before on a thread about a bed bound elderly woman being raped to death in hospital but worth saying again - what happened to that poor, innocent child makes me glad that the human race is hurtling towards extinction.

ThreadGuardDog · 17/06/2026 15:09

LizardLore · 17/06/2026 11:54

As I understand it they were paedophiles so they actually got him solely for the purpose of abusing him. They did not mean to kill him.

It is awful to say but I think it is better for him that he died early than that he had to live the life they had planned for him.

Which leads us to the question of safeguarding. This child was taken to hospital multiple times with suspicious injuries, yet no-one thought to take things any further. The couple were gay men, and I’m sorry but it’s obvious that safeguarding procedures weren’t followed for fear of causing offence or being labelled a bigot. This baby wasn’t just failed by these two monsters, he was failed by the authorities charged with protecting him.

And I simply don’t believe that adequate checks were carried out on either of these two men. One of them was a teacher FFS !! How can you be of good character with a clean record when your sole intention for adopting a baby is to abuse them for your own perverted and monstrous gratification ? Someone, somewhere, isn’t being honest.

SpaceRaccoon · 17/06/2026 15:09

ShesRunningOutTheDoor · 17/06/2026 15:05

Just a wonder. If you were gravely ill and going to die and had to give your children to total strangers. Would you choose a woman and a man or a man and a man. Truthfully. answers from your deepest maternal instinct. If it’s a woman and a man, why should the state choose any different? Why are children’s needs, rights, protections not put first?

This. Children are most at risk in a household with an unrelated male. They sent this vulnerable baby to a home with two of them, and no woman.

ShesRunningOutTheDoor · 17/06/2026 15:09

Or a woman and a woman - sorry. This is the safest bet. I’d go for this

ThreadGuardDog · 17/06/2026 15:10

ShesRunningOutTheDoor · 17/06/2026 15:05

Just a wonder. If you were gravely ill and going to die and had to give your children to total strangers. Would you choose a woman and a man or a man and a man. Truthfully. answers from your deepest maternal instinct. If it’s a woman and a man, why should the state choose any different? Why are children’s needs, rights, protections not put first?

Because hurty feelings are prioritised above common sense and safety.

Delladuck · 17/06/2026 15:12

CarrieMoonbeams · 17/06/2026 14:28

I spoke to my friend about this case recently. She is a retired prison officer who used to work in the "Sex Offenders Unit" (it probably had a different name but that's essentially what it was). The sex offenders were in their own area, segregated from the rest of the prisoners, so they were a lot safer than being in the general prison population.

She said that they had to stop the Talking Therapy group at one point because the prisoners were - obviously - encouraged to talk about their offences and she said that the ones describing their crimes were definitely getting off on being able to relive it, and the ones listening were obviously savouring all of the details for, presumably, wank fodder later 😢😢

Poor baby Preston, my heart aches 💔

my mother said they had to stop this as well (shes never walked into a prison in her life,this was more a halfway house)

there would be a circle of men,one talking (bragging) about his crimes and the others would sit,listening with massive smirks and each one had a stonking hard-on (guessing it was 'put away' in their minds for later on)

she ended up leaving as she couldn't listen to anymore

i mean my mother is an abuser herself (shes a narc) but even she couldn't deal with it

thank you to everyone for not having a go at me for admitting what i was like after having my child ( i thought i would be torn apart)

i tried so hard to get help (my family thought it was funny and would laugh at my mental state) but the help was just not there

i knew i was a danger to my darling baby and tried so hard not to be-i was so ill but could see the slope i was on and tried really hard to stop and climb back up

thankfully,that baby (who is now an adult) has forgiven me but i never will

anyway,its not about me,it's about another gorgeous child taken too soon by the people who should have protected him and didn't,another name to add to the baby p's,victorias,stars,arthurs,poppi's and many others

rip preston,sleep tight sweet baby

Ladamesansmerci · 17/06/2026 15:15

I have a two year old. It breaks my heart. I've been holding her extra tight the last few days and I can't get it out of my mind. I can't comprehend how anyone would look at these sweet innocent babies and harm them.

I think what really hurts me is that adoption was my first choice to have a child (I'm a lesbian, and we've done IVF now, which I obviously don't regret for one second). I wasn't allowed to adopt due to a history of depression (like 7+ years ago) following a sexual assault I experienced when I was younger, and because at the time I still took and antidepressant and saw my long-term therapist, both things which kept me well (ironic really given I'm a mental health nurse now). I'd give anything for Preston to have gone to someone like me and be loved and cherished. He deserved to be loved and happy.

ThreadGuardDog · 17/06/2026 15:17

Tonissister · 17/06/2026 14:34

I understand this as a trigger reaction but it isn't necessarily that straightforward. These two were evil and depraved. But not because they were gay. They went under the radar because they played the game to look respectable. One was a teacher, with safeguarding training.

There are many stories of heterosexual couples harming and killing adopted and fostered children, and their own children. Of mothers being the perpetrators. I don't want to link to them, but they are all too easy to find. Being gay does not make someone incapable of being a caring parent. Being depraved and cruel does. And these qualities occur in people of both sexes and orientations.

I honestly think we need a social reset in which we consciously choose to learn not to trust and value superficial charm. It has been so idolised for years, on reality TV, on social media. We are attracted to and respect people who are larger than life, who big themselves up. We end up with Bojo, Nigel, Trump - morally defunct self-seekers in charge politically, and we worship the likes of Musk. When people like this succeed, it filters down and we look up to mini-me versions of them.

I bet these two evil men and the friends who vouched for them did a real charm offensive on the social workers. We need to learn to see through these veneers and value highly the less shiny values of kindness, gentleness, loyalty, reliability, calmness.

Sorry, but I don’t think it is a trigger reaction. The NHS and Social Services are all about diversity and I firmly believe that the NHS in particular were reluctant to ask questions on the three occasions that child was taken to hospital, for fear of causing offence or being labelled as bigots. And I simply don’t believe that two men who adopted a baby with the express intention of using and abusing him for their own monstrous and depraved gratification could pass all of the checks and balances and slip under the radar like this. There will be something in their past that someone, somewhere has slipped up and missed, but it’ll probably take the BBC ten years of investigation to find out what really happened.

Illjusthavethebreadsticks · 17/06/2026 15:18

Poor baby didn’t stand a chance. A murderer for a mother then murdered himself. They won’t last long in prison.

Doximama2 · 17/06/2026 15:24

LuckyHazelFox · 17/06/2026 13:16

Who on earth has voted YABU FFS.

oP here - I am thinking that too 🙈

OP posts:
Sunglade · 17/06/2026 15:24

He was taken to hospital THREE TIMES with suspicious I buried before he finally died. if only our healthcare system was staffed by people who were

  1. Fully fluent in English
  2. Paid even remotely fairly
And 3. Competent Perhaps this wouldn't have happened..let's just keep underfunding and accepting shit public services though, who gives a toss at the end of the day. Fucking JOKE of a country.
Dryrobe45 · 17/06/2026 15:28

TemperanceWest · 17/06/2026 12:36

I am a bit of a coward as I can't bear to hear or read too much about this case. I hope the pair of them suffer horribly in jail.

Same here. I can’t bring myself to read the harrowing details about this awful case. That poor, poor little boy.
I’m not a violent person but honestly, I could easily turn my back on evil monsters like that being thrown into a pit with two hungry grizzly bears.

NovaF · 17/06/2026 15:29

I feel traumatised by it, to the point of feeling constantly like I am on the verge of throwing up. My phone brings up memories of my daughter when she was a baby and I cannot compute how someone could/would want to do that to a baby, it is sickening. It is also the constant torture of the child, not letting him sleep, leaving him in a bath by himself for 15 minutes, spinning him on a piece of playground equipment so quickly that his eyes go to the back of this head, videoing him barely breathing let alone everything else. That an expert in court said the look on the child's face was of resignation. I feel so haunted about baby Preston

LizardLore · 17/06/2026 15:42

ThreadGuardDog · 17/06/2026 15:09

Which leads us to the question of safeguarding. This child was taken to hospital multiple times with suspicious injuries, yet no-one thought to take things any further. The couple were gay men, and I’m sorry but it’s obvious that safeguarding procedures weren’t followed for fear of causing offence or being labelled a bigot. This baby wasn’t just failed by these two monsters, he was failed by the authorities charged with protecting him.

And I simply don’t believe that adequate checks were carried out on either of these two men. One of them was a teacher FFS !! How can you be of good character with a clean record when your sole intention for adopting a baby is to abuse them for your own perverted and monstrous gratification ? Someone, somewhere, isn’t being honest.

I think class is likely to have been a bigger factor in ignoring the red flags. Obviously just speculation at this point. But I’m assuming these men are well-spoken, well-presented, and we know they had professional jobs. Blackpool is such an extremely deprived part of the UK that the staff there will be used to seeing all sorts, even more so in A&E. It’s quite likely these two seemed such a cut above a lot of the usual patients that staff were more amenable to their explanations.

Sunglade · 17/06/2026 15:42

SparklyGlitterballs · 17/06/2026 14:03

I think, because the majority of us aren't wired up to be abusive or cruel, we find it impossible to comprehend how someone could treat another human being in this vile way, especially a defenceless baby. He was basically using that child as a sex toy. It beggars belief that he'd already caused poor Preston to have breathing difficulties, and a broken elbow, but still continued to violate him. Was that not a wake up call to stop? I'm not normally a vindictive person, but I truly hope these men, especially the main perpetrator (whose name I refuse to write), get their karma in prison.

They're not even human these men they are literal chimpanzees. They're everywhere too, maybe not as bad as these two but at least half as bad.

SpaceRaccoon · 17/06/2026 15:45

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/15/baby-preston-death-verdict-adoptive-father/

Telegraph article - eight opportunities to save Preston, eight times he was failed.

EmailsaysOOO · 17/06/2026 15:50

It's too sad for words..After the Baby P case I can't let myself see details such as this. Beggars belief..No doubt there will be a review and the agencies are going to say they will share more information in future or some other flannel. We'll see it again. There is no hope.

Sunglade · 17/06/2026 15:54

Dollymylove · 17/06/2026 14:22

Sick, angry furious disgusted. Looking at that chubby little curly haired smiley baby BEFORE he was handed over to those 2 sub human pieces of shit 😡 why the hell didnt they do what the family wanted. The foster parents were happy to keep him a few more weeks while his Grandmother recovered from surgery, them he could grow up with his biological sibling in a loving home.
But no.
Another child sacrificed on the altar of diversity.
Every single social worker, NHS worker and police officer who ignored his suffering should be in court.
The only small consolation is that the inmates of the Category A prisons are rumoured to be rubbing their hands together waiting to see which nick they will be placed in.
The screws cant be everywhere at all times 😉

They will probably actually be murdered in prison and rightly so, not really a fan of the death penalty but I think we would all turn a blind eye here

dollyblue01 · 17/06/2026 15:56

ShesRunningOutTheDoor · 17/06/2026 12:08

Final thing. Institutions have got to sweep away this rainbow nonsense and place safeguarding front and centre. I hope that’s the lesson learned from this

I couldn’t agree more.

Teakettletrio · 17/06/2026 15:59

OP you really aren’t alone in being utterly horrified by this case. It’s incomprehensible. It took them only 16 weeks to abuse him to death. A little bit more than 100 days. You’re not telling me that that abuse did not start pretty much immediately. That poor, poor child.
Can you imagine how the rest of their families feel, their co-workers, neighbours, students? They must all feel sick to their stomach. Nevermind the devastation on the child’s extended family and the foster carers.

ENGLANDalltheway · 17/06/2026 16:02

Runningswanker · 17/06/2026 11:42

It's not unreasonable at all. I think it's a necessary reminder that abusers can exist in all guises - from what has been shared about then and their lifestyle, careers, friends etc there was nothing to suggest they would behave as they did. The main perpetrator had a successful career in education (in an age where education isn't easy access to abuse as it was say in the 50s and 60s) It's pretty frightening.

This.

The poor baby lived a short and awful life. These 2 men need locking up forever. The pair are evil perverts.