To think benefits need to be cut to fund increased spending on defence

[Viviennemary]

This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

No i said maybe i can afford not to in reply to somebody telling me to get a job. The comment and theirs has since been deleted.

What do you mean by scores one point ? Do you mean scores one point less and misses the enhanced rate ? If so then yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying. Disability is subjective. Different assessors will see things differently. They’re not infallible. Someone who ‘maxes out’ will score at least twelve points. That’s the threshold for enhanced rates.

Someone who misses out by one point will likely have similar needs. That’s why we have two rates of disability benefits. The lower rate is a catch all to ensure no-one misses out on support. It’s a safety net. What you’re proposing is the callous removal of that safety net support for genuine need, and you’re trying to justify it by leaving the enhanced rates in place because you think they signify greater need. That’s not how it works.

So you said maybe I can afford not to work. You've been on here solidly for 3 days. So I wonder why I thought you didn't work. I think its pretty obvious you don't work but admitting that doesn't fit your agenda of you pay everyone's benefits.

And your idea of cutting anybody on PIP who doesn’t qualify for enhanced isn’t that as to you can be more disabled and have more points on standard x2 as opposed to enhanced x1

You aren’t supporting anybody, you don’t work. I have 2 disabilities and work, I have a child with 4 disabilities who works and 2 others with several disabilities in education. There are evening and weekend jobs. You could work.

I interpreted it that way because within the context of support benefits and support at work, that’s what it means. It gave the impression that disability benefits can only be used for this purpose, which is not the case.

You're awarded based on point score from qualifiers. You need have to show your need based on best match criteria. Both components have minimum point score to reach an award level

It depends on their level of need though. If you don’t know what disability related expenses someone has then you’re not qualified to judge whether it’s appropriate or not.

And ?

I havent declared or commented on my situation at all apart from to reply with a maybe to one poster. It's telling that you're judging me and making assumptions.

🤦🏻‍♀️PIP is split into two completely separate parts: Daily Living and Mobility. You can be awarded one, the other, or both depending on your needs.

Daily Living Component (10 Activities)
Standard Rate: 8 to 11 total points
Enhanced Rate: 12 or more total points

Mobility Component (2 Activities)
Standard Rate: 8 to 11 total points
Enhanced Rate: 12 or more total points

Can you seriously not see how you can score more in 2x standard and how complex it is?

But someone who gets standard mobility and standard daily living is likely to be just as disabled, if not more so, as someone who only gets one of those components at the higher rate. Using standard rate as the cut off point doesn’t work.

I have tried to explain this multiple times.

You dont know that i dont, youve made an assumption and are now using that to be faceitious.

Can you seriously not see how you can score more in 2x standard and how complex it is?

No. No, she can’t. And won’t because it blows the notion of an arbitrary cut off point at standard rate completely out of the water.

Just completing the description.

You said you can’t afford to.

I know. At this point l don’t know why l’m bothering. I guess it’s because it makes me angry when people who clearly know little to nothing about disability or the benefits to support it come onto these threads and spout unworkable and discriminatory nonsense.

But that isn't what i said or what i intended it to mean.

It's not about the money in my situation. I can only work part time due to my daughter's specialist schooling. To be able to work part time I need some support. To get that bridging the gap support between full time and part time it's UC. To not have to be forced to work full time to keep the UC you need the DLA. I'd have been happy just having the UC with an agreement the part time is fine.

Ah right. But you’re not demonstrating any understanding of that description. Hence my question.

Glad we clarified then.

@Viviennemary which benefits are you on, that you would like to be cut?

When? No i haven't, show me! I only wrote maybe in reply to one post about my own cics. I've deliberatly not posted anything about myself.

No i fully understand the system, i can quote most descriptors and know the point levels. I just hold a different opinion to you. You don't seem willing to accept that.