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To think benefits need to be cut to fund increased spending on defence

635 replies

Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 20:04

This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

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youalright · Today 10:44

Curveygirl · Today 10:40

Why do you struggle to have a reasoned debate or conversation without resorting to insults?

Because you're spreading false information

ThreadGuardDog · Today 10:45

youalright · Today 10:44

Because you're spreading false information

And that !!

Curveygirl · Today 10:48

ThreadGuardDog · Today 10:33

How is carers allowance awarded too easily ? It’s awarded on the basis of a PIP/child DLA to the person being cared for. What else do you think should be taken into consideration given that for a mere £86 per week, the carer is expected to provide 35 hours of care, often on top of a full tome job. That’s less than £3 an hour. The cost of policing it would be more than the allowance itself.

And diaries and support letters from friends/family aren’t taken as stand alone evidence of disability. They are considered alongside medical evidence and the assessors’ own opinion where they have interviewed the claimant. I’m not suggesting the system is perfect - far from it. But what you’re suggesting is a tightening up of the system that will disadvantage genuinely disabled people and those who know how to play the system won’t be impacted at all.

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Carers allowance is normally awarded with someone working full time. It cannot be claimed if the person earns over £204 per week after deductions (i accept significant pension contributions can make this possible). If working full time and caring for 35 hours a week they deserve a bloody medal!

It can be claimed easily as no proof is required of what care is given or how much, it's just on good faith. I do believe people lie.

Medical and social care evidence only will help stop fraud. I can't think of one disabled person I know that would never have interacted with at least health care for their disability (inc mental health).

Pickledonion1999 · Today 10:49

youalright · Today 10:22

She also appears not to have a full time job with the amount of time she spends on here everyday telling everyone they should be working full time

Caring carer is a buy to let landlord with multiple rental properties and investments which she goes on about on multiple threads on MN . Hypocrite as no doubt benefitting from other people claiming UC . Unbelievable really.

NorthXNorthWest · Today 10:49

youalright · Today 09:56

How can you read this thread about children severely disabled by cancer and people working for decades and then having a stroke and think they should get the bare minimum. Like actually think about what you are saying and the reality of that. Sorry son santa hasn't got you much for Christmas this year ( because you became severely disabled after surviving cancer now mum has no money for presents as northxnorthwest thinks we should live on the bare minimum) but all the healthy kids with working parents santa is coming to them. Heartless

How can you read this thread about children severely disabled by cancer and people working for decades and then having a stroke

Are strawmen the best you can come up with?

Curveygirl · Today 10:51

ThreadGuardDog · Today 10:37

Agree. Straight out of the Daily Mail playbook. And disability benefits are compensation. They are meant to level the playing field between disabled and able bodied people by contributing to the recognised additional cost of living with a disability. The poster does seem to be displaying a level of envy of the benefits and concessions available to disabled people. I wonder if they also envy the disability itself. No ? Thought not.

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Don't be rediculous. It isn't about envy, it's about fairness. You seem to be resorting to insults and bullying in order to asert you're opinion because you can't have a reasoned debate.

Curveygirl · Today 10:52

ThreadGuardDog · Today 10:45

And that !!

What false information exactly?

Fkj23jdfj · Today 10:52

Curveygirl · Today 10:48

Carers allowance is normally awarded with someone working full time. It cannot be claimed if the person earns over £204 per week after deductions (i accept significant pension contributions can make this possible). If working full time and caring for 35 hours a week they deserve a bloody medal!

It can be claimed easily as no proof is required of what care is given or how much, it's just on good faith. I do believe people lie.

Medical and social care evidence only will help stop fraud. I can't think of one disabled person I know that would never have interacted with at least health care for their disability (inc mental health).

You are talking complete utter nonsense. I have a child who has PIP for MH, we had to send in meeting notes, lists of care and therapy she’s had, medication details etc as evidence.

TigerRag · Today 10:54

Curveygirl · Today 10:52

What false information exactly?

That those of us with disabilities have a better standard of living and that disabled students get more support than the average student

YorksMa · Today 10:55

Because the ONLY place to look for extra defence funding is welfare. How about asking corporations to pay their tax instead?

Curveygirl · Today 10:55

ThreadGuardDog · Today 10:41

And all of the comments you’ve made seem to be equally ill informed.

But you can make no argument to counter them other than insults?

Why exactly do you think the new send system will work? When was the last time tax rate thresholds were raised? Can you show me where carers can earn more than £204 after deductions? What evidence do you require for a sunflower lanyard? Is there not a set of tests to get smi for dla?

youalright · Today 10:57

Curveygirl · Today 10:52

What false information exactly?

That people on benefits have a higher standard of living then people working full time jobs

Fkj23jdfj · Today 10:58

Curveygirl · Today 10:55

But you can make no argument to counter them other than insults?

Why exactly do you think the new send system will work? When was the last time tax rate thresholds were raised? Can you show me where carers can earn more than £204 after deductions? What evidence do you require for a sunflower lanyard? Is there not a set of tests to get smi for dla?

A sunflower lanyard gets you sfa, the new SEND measures will focus funding on state schools
as opposed to diverting it to the private sector and will help support more children in school….

Curveygirl · Today 10:59

TigerRag · Today 10:54

That those of us with disabilities have a better standard of living and that disabled students get more support than the average student

Disabled students do get more support than an average student. DSA, hall accomodation allocation, extra time for assignments where needed as examples they are more support than an average student.

I've wrote that those on benefits shouldn't have a better standard of living than those who work full time, i am inc disability benefits in that.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 10:59

Curveygirl · Today 10:26

I've already stated that ideally I'd like to see work pay so that those who work have significantly better standard of living than those on benefits. While the economy is as it is and the majority of people are dealing with COL then yes I think the disabled should have enough to live off but not to excess, that's fair.

And where do you draw the line at perceived ‘excess’ given that the cost of living with a disability is considerable ? Or do you think PIP and child DLA are all spaffed up the wall on booze and tobacco as a lot of MN contributors seem to ? Perhaps disabled people should just sit out of sight all day and wait quietly to die ?

You seem to have no perception of what taking care of the vulnerable means. If you genuinely can’t work you shouldn’t have to live in poverty as you seem to think. Within my living memory disabled people were mostly institutionalised or didn’t live independently, which, these days would cost far more than disability benefits currently in payment. The institutions were abolished because disability support in the community is more cost effective and affords people more independence. That support is awarded according to need. To reduce it would disproportionately affect the most vulnerable in society. Why would you do that ?

youalright · Today 10:59

NorthXNorthWest · Today 10:49

How can you read this thread about children severely disabled by cancer and people working for decades and then having a stroke

Are strawmen the best you can come up with?

I have no idea what a strawman is

ThreadGuardDog · Today 11:00

youalright · Today 10:59

I have no idea what a strawman is

It’s something posters come up with when they have no viable argument.

Fkj23jdfj · Today 11:01

Curveygirl · Today 10:59

Disabled students do get more support than an average student. DSA, hall accomodation allocation, extra time for assignments where needed as examples they are more support than an average student.

I've wrote that those on benefits shouldn't have a better standard of living than those who work full time, i am inc disability benefits in that.

Why shouldn’t disabled students have the bar levelled at uni? Or do you just want them unable to attend and forever earning less and in need of more benefits?

Eviebeans · Today 11:03

It clearly isn’t as simple as saying “cut benefits” as if that is a magic charm
of course nobody in receipt of any type of benefit wants to see it cut by even the tiniest amount but it has to start somewhere
I would also add that I don’t necessarily think benefits should be cut to spend more on defence but any savings could be spent on other stuff - it could be used to properly fund schools and healthcare for example
Just because Labour have made a mess of it with every very poorly thought out cut they’ve attempted so far doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen at all
I think everyone in receipt of any type of benefit could think about what they could do without- however small that might be
There are of course always people who could afford to pay a bit more and others who could pay significantly more. By this I don’t include those who receive their payments via a monthly pay cheque
The current tax system feels like too much of a blunt instrument and the tax bands are too wide

ThreadGuardDog · Today 11:04

Curveygirl · Today 10:59

Disabled students do get more support than an average student. DSA, hall accomodation allocation, extra time for assignments where needed as examples they are more support than an average student.

I've wrote that those on benefits shouldn't have a better standard of living than those who work full time, i am inc disability benefits in that.

Which is another ill informed argument. Not all disabled students get these benefits. They are awarded to those who need them, so that they aren’t disadvantaged by their disability. It’s called levelling up support. You seem to begrudge it. Why ?

Curveygirl · Today 11:04

Fkj23jdfj · Today 10:58

A sunflower lanyard gets you sfa, the new SEND measures will focus funding on state schools
as opposed to diverting it to the private sector and will help support more children in school….

My example in regs to sunflower lanyard on this thread was security at the airport in UK- it does get you in either the disability queue or the fast track.

You may want to have a read of special needs jungle reviews of the send reforms or any other childrens disability charity apart from contact a family, Michael Charles on Facebook is a good one to follow too. It'll be interesting (sarcastically) to see all these send kids being supported in mainstream and the non send kids being supported alongside them. I gues I could be wrong on that and it will all work amazingly well.

Monty36 · Today 11:09

Curveygirl · Today 10:48

Carers allowance is normally awarded with someone working full time. It cannot be claimed if the person earns over £204 per week after deductions (i accept significant pension contributions can make this possible). If working full time and caring for 35 hours a week they deserve a bloody medal!

It can be claimed easily as no proof is required of what care is given or how much, it's just on good faith. I do believe people lie.

Medical and social care evidence only will help stop fraud. I can't think of one disabled person I know that would never have interacted with at least health care for their disability (inc mental health).

If there is an opportunity to do so because the process allows it, yes people will take advantage of that.
Sadly such people ruin things for those genuinely in need of the money because they give the benefit a bad name by abusing it. Then it gets stopped.
Anyone exaggerating a benefit claim, a condition to get more, a higher rate, is risking it being stopped because the tolerance for abuse will increasingly get lower. And people will end up with vastly reduced amounts.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 11:09

Fkj23jdfj · Today 11:01

Why shouldn’t disabled students have the bar levelled at uni? Or do you just want them unable to attend and forever earning less and in need of more benefits?

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From the tone of the posts l think that’s the general idea. Interesting to note that throughout her posts the focus has been on the support and concessions available to disabled people, but not one word as to why they are needed, or he inequality that would ensue if they were reduced or withdrawn.

Pickledonion1999 · Today 11:16

Monty36 · Today 11:09

If there is an opportunity to do so because the process allows it, yes people will take advantage of that.
Sadly such people ruin things for those genuinely in need of the money because they give the benefit a bad name by abusing it. Then it gets stopped.
Anyone exaggerating a benefit claim, a condition to get more, a higher rate, is risking it being stopped because the tolerance for abuse will increasingly get lower. And people will end up with vastly reduced amounts.

There needs to be more checks for Carers allowance. in my experience plenty are abusing it. Then on the other hand you have parents of disabled kids providing complex care 24/7and it just feels disgusting that they get so little. There needs to be significantly more checks and a higher rate for those providing high levels of care.

TigerRag · Today 11:16

Curveygirl · Today 10:59

Disabled students do get more support than an average student. DSA, hall accomodation allocation, extra time for assignments where needed as examples they are more support than an average student.

I've wrote that those on benefits shouldn't have a better standard of living than those who work full time, i am inc disability benefits in that.

They only get the support they need because they're a disabled student. I'm entitled (or would be if I was a student) to extra time. I read much slower than the average person. Add to that the fatigue. And you really think I'm at an advantage?