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To think benefits need to be cut to fund increased spending on defence

515 replies

Viviennemary · 14/06/2026 20:04

This is absolutely necessary. Keir Starmer shouldnt have backed down the last time. But now with the current situation with Russia drastic steps need to be taken. We simply can't afford to sustain the current benefits bill with the armed forces so depleted. The money is needed to increase defence.

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Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:08

youalright · 14/06/2026 23:58

Please share all these 100% wfh jobs that are OK with their employee being of sick for half the year id love to know for if I ever lose my job

Why does the idea that somebody could be more disabled than you upset you so much? You having skills isn't a bad think in comparrison to somebody who doesn't.

Parcelpass · Yesterday 00:08

Honestly. Im sick of hearing this topic. Theres lots of money wasted in other areas. People in high management roles that are not really needed. Faffing around with training causes that are not useful we can start looking into the NHS! For starters....

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 00:09

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:05

I agree. I think pp misread/ didn't read my post properly and took offence when I pointed out that some people will be more disabled than they are, which is factual.

I do think that there has to be cuts to welfare across the board, including disability. I (personally) would remove lower rates, that is my view which I'm aware those claiming wouldn't like. I would see this as preferable to removing any provision from those with higher rates as they are likely to be more disabled and more requiring of the money either for the points you've raised or because they cannot work at all. I do think there will be welfare cuts, I'm not sure how there can't be given the levels. Those who are most severly disabled should always be supported in my opinion as some of the most vulnerable. I wouldn't want to see the reverse especially if the right to die bill gets brought in without sufficient safeguards for such people.

I just wonder how much money it would actually save if it means some would lose jobs they do have and wouldn't be able to do without the support of PIP and end up on unemployment benefits long term.

namechangeforthispo · Yesterday 00:14

Yawn. Are MN not sick of seeing this tripe?! Please come up with something else. It’s honestly so boring seeing the active feed full of this type of nonsense.

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:19

Yes, in some cases you're right it wouldn't save money at all but you couldn't make welfare reforms and not look at disability too. If any government is going to cut the welfare bill they will have to include it. They couldn't make cuts to save money in other areas and say but not disability especially with the view ofmany is that the majority of claiments are on the scrounge as evidenced in this thread by posters other than me who have advocated cutting disability benefits.

There would also be cases where it's removal wouldn't make a difference in terms of adaptations etc but would make a difference to the amount the claiment has to spend (not all dla/pip is spent on adjustment or directly related to disability) which is a nicety rather than a necessity.

youalright · Yesterday 00:21

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:08

Why does the idea that somebody could be more disabled than you upset you so much? You having skills isn't a bad think in comparrison to somebody who doesn't.

Huh where have I written I'm upset that their are people more disabled then me im asking for practical advice about these wfh jobs that I should get but you don't seem to be able to provide that

latetothefisting · Yesterday 00:23

CharlotteStreetW1 · 14/06/2026 20:30

They could cut public sector waste for starters.

absolutely agree, how about in the....MOD for starters?
Ministry of Defence 'failing taxpayers' by wasting £13bn, Labour says - BBC News
If they didn't waste so much money over the last 15 years they could have self-funded their additional expenditure.

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:24

youalright · Yesterday 00:21

Huh where have I written I'm upset that their are people more disabled then me im asking for practical advice about these wfh jobs that I should get but you don't seem to be able to provide that

You're being facetious

thefloorislavayes · Yesterday 00:25

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 14/06/2026 22:08

so why can’t that be a place like surestart where the parents attend? Why does it have to be a nursery setting where the parents drop off?

Human beings are not biologically designed to raise children alone.
For most of human history, children were raised within extended family groups, villages, and tribes. Mothers didn't spend years isolated in a house providing 24-hour childcare with little support. There were grandparents, aunts, older siblings, neighbours, and other children around. Childcare was shared.
The idea that one adult should be solely responsible for a child all day, every day, for years on end is actually a very recent phenomenon in human history.
Children also benefit from spending time away from their parents. They need opportunities to socialise with other children, learn independence, solve problems, navigate friendships, and develop confidence without a parent constantly intervening. Those skills don't magically appear at school age.
Likewise, parents need time to rest, work, maintain relationships, pursue interests, and simply remember they are human beings as well as parents. That doesn't make someone a bad parent; it makes them normal.
So no, needing 15 hours of nursery, childcare support, or a break from your children is not a sign that something is wrong. It's probably closer to the way humans have raised children for most of our existence than expecting one parent to do everything alone.

youalright · Yesterday 00:26

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:24

You're being facetious

So you can't tell me where any of these 100% wfh jobs are that have the flexibility i need are.

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:26

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:24

You're being facetious

Also, it isn't my job to provide you with work. Use your skills and look for yourself.

youalright · Yesterday 00:27

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:26

Also, it isn't my job to provide you with work. Use your skills and look for yourself.

Is it because you realise you're wrong?

youalright · Yesterday 00:28

Do you even work full time @Curveygirlyou're up late

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:29

youalright · Yesterday 00:26

So you can't tell me where any of these 100% wfh jobs are that have the flexibility i need are.

Instead of arguing with me, put that energy into looking for work. Oh but you already said you didn't want to leave your current job?!

Also, if you read my post i said you have skills which could be used, that's correct, they could be used. You using those transferable skills yourself is a you problem.

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 00:30

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:19

Yes, in some cases you're right it wouldn't save money at all but you couldn't make welfare reforms and not look at disability too. If any government is going to cut the welfare bill they will have to include it. They couldn't make cuts to save money in other areas and say but not disability especially with the view ofmany is that the majority of claiments are on the scrounge as evidenced in this thread by posters other than me who have advocated cutting disability benefits.

There would also be cases where it's removal wouldn't make a difference in terms of adaptations etc but would make a difference to the amount the claiment has to spend (not all dla/pip is spent on adjustment or directly related to disability) which is a nicety rather than a necessity.

Hopefully any potential changes would be based on actual facts, not simply the view of some people who may not necessarily always be correct.

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:30

youalright · Yesterday 00:28

Do you even work full time @Curveygirlyou're up late

You're reaching now

youalright · Yesterday 00:32

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:29

Instead of arguing with me, put that energy into looking for work. Oh but you already said you didn't want to leave your current job?!

Also, if you read my post i said you have skills which could be used, that's correct, they could be used. You using those transferable skills yourself is a you problem.

I genuinely don't understand why you keep telling me to quit my job to get an imaginary wfh job

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:33

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 00:30

Hopefully any potential changes would be based on actual facts, not simply the view of some people who may not necessarily always be correct.

Disability benefits being overpaid is a common view. There is strong feeling about welfare including disability, that can't be escaped from.

Conversations such as this thread are becoming more and more common with many of the main political parties discussing reform.

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:36

youalright · Yesterday 00:32

I genuinely don't understand why you keep telling me to quit my job to get an imaginary wfh job

I don't keep telling you to do that? I've wrote that you have skills which could be applied to work and given examples. I've wrote that you are employable. I've wrote that there are people who are more disabled than you are who don't have skills like that and cannot work who should be supported.

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:37

I also called you facetious

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 00:37

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:33

Disability benefits being overpaid is a common view. There is strong feeling about welfare including disability, that can't be escaped from.

Conversations such as this thread are becoming more and more common with many of the main political parties discussing reform.

Is it a common view with those who have little to no experience with disabilities and how costly they can be? Is it a common view with medical experts who work daily with DLA or PIP applicants and/or disabled people?

One view would be more relevant than the other to me.

youalright · Yesterday 00:38

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:36

I don't keep telling you to do that? I've wrote that you have skills which could be applied to work and given examples. I've wrote that you are employable. I've wrote that there are people who are more disabled than you are who don't have skills like that and cannot work who should be supported.

You make no sense I'm of to sleep some of us have work tomorrow

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:41

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 00:37

Is it a common view with those who have little to no experience with disabilities and how costly they can be? Is it a common view with medical experts who work daily with DLA or PIP applicants and/or disabled people?

One view would be more relevant than the other to me.

Again I agree but when has that stopped reform to any area of government? The same could be said for send but that looks like it's going to be massively changed.

I've just taken this off sky news' website from today:
https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-urges-labour-leadership-rivals-to-cut-welfare-spending-and-boost-defence-13553762

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:42

youalright · Yesterday 00:38

You make no sense I'm of to sleep some of us have work tomorrow

Fantastic!

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 00:46

Curveygirl · Yesterday 00:41

Again I agree but when has that stopped reform to any area of government? The same could be said for send but that looks like it's going to be massively changed.

I've just taken this off sky news' website from today:
https://news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-urges-labour-leadership-rivals-to-cut-welfare-spending-and-boost-defence-13553762

That's true, unfortunately.

Doesn't surprise me at all with Kemi, she hates disabled people.

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