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How is it possible to be worth a trillion?

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aurpod1980 · Yesterday 21:40

Is it just utter madness that one man can be worth a trillion dollars ? $1000 billion Wtaf

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topcat2014 · Today 10:52

Is he happy though? So he owns a car and rocket company. Doesn't mean he can go down there and empty the bank.

All large company owners or bosses are psychopaths, I would have thought

mondaytosunday · Today 11:14

Well it’s not liquid, 99.9% is the worth of his companies (SpaceX accounts for about 75%, then Tesla and several other ventures). If he decided to cash out he’d cause a huge stock market panic and he’d walk away with about £100billion (according to some estimates). Not exactly chump change though…I hope he follows Bill Gates example and gives away most of his fortune to philanthropic causes. Gates would have passed the one trillion mark back in 2024 if he hadn’t sold so much of his Microsoft shares. He has given away over $100 billion and plans to give a further $200 billion over the next two decades.

JimBobsWife · Today 11:29

cardibach · Today 10:21

I’m sure you can see a massive gap between ‘being rewarded’ and ‘being a trillionaire’. If you can’t see why the latter is problematic I can’t really help.

If being rewarded is ok, what level of reward do you think is the right level? And what would you do when successful companies reach that level? Stop them trading?

Or do you not think being rewarded is ok?

Nesbi · Today 11:32

The idea that the billionaire class are merely creating wealth rather than capturing it from others doesn’t match the reality, and sounds more like spin from the media outlets they control.

Go back to 1989 and look at the wealth held by the top 200 wealthiest families here in the UK, it was equivalent to 5% of the UK's GDP. Collectively, they could afford to buy 5% of all the goods and services produced in the country in a year.

Today the top 200 families hold the equivalent of about 25% of GDP in wealth. That percentage will keep growing.

The wealth of global billionaires has apparently increased by 40% in just 2 years.

Ordinary people like us will lose around 30-40% of our income to tax, and most of what is left is required to be spent just to survive day to day. If you’re lucky, a very small amount will be saved, or invested.

Billionaires grow their wealth in a system that is designed to protect it, meaning the percentage they pay in tax is far lower than the rest of us. They also can’t possibly spent it on living, even if they do buy themselves half billion dollar boats as toys. So the excess wealth gets used to buy up the things that other people need to use - they buy up companies, they buy up properties, not just residential but they buy the factories, the skyscrapers, the shopping centres, they buy up the natural resources. All the while as they buy up more and more of the world around them, more and more money inevitably flows in their direction.

As they use their wealth to accumulate more assets, the rest of the world is increasingly squeezed out. The rest of us own less and less. Classes of people who used to be able to afford a house now find they can only rent. People who would have owned some shares themselves find they can afford far fewer than before - their share of the wealth gets that much smaller.

People who thought they could live a middle class life wonder why they now struggle so much. Even the wealthy (by most people’s standards) are left wondering why private schooling feels out of reach, or why the skiing holiday has had to move from the French alps to Bulgaria!

It is like watching the gravitational pull of a black hole - the wealth of the billionaires is dragging more and more wealth upwards through society and relentlessly towards them. That is why it grows so much quicker than GDP - they are not just creating it, they are taking it.

It is going to happen at a faster and faster rate. I wonder at what point will the rest of us will decide that enough is enough, that society can’t function like this.

Flannelfeet · Today 11:34

Wonder if hes good for a tap 🤔.

Probably not because hes a bellend!.

GasPanic · Today 11:41

He's a guy that does something with his money, works hard and is creative.

He employs thousands, and probably keeps thousands more in jobs in his supply chains.

He's doing things to push society forwards and make the world a different place, like the transition to EVs from ICE vehicles.

His politics I like not so much.

But I don't think his wealth is disgusting or undeserved.

If we didn't have people like him around we'd still be living in caves.

I hope he finds new things to do with his new found wealth. Maybe find a cure for cancer, solve the nuclear fusion engineering problem or establish a Mars base.

Badbadbunny · Today 11:45

But he doesn't have a trillion sat in a bank account so people saying what it would buy are missing the reality. Most will be tied up in the companies he owns and his "trillion" will be the book value of the assets owned by the companies. It's not "real" money.

If he wanted to sell everything and bank the cash, he'd get a mere fraction of that - look at Gordon Brown selling off the country's gold - the price fell when he announced what he was going to do. You need people willing and able to pay "full" value for all Elon's businesses, which will never happen.

randomchap · Today 11:49

GasPanic · Today 11:41

He's a guy that does something with his money, works hard and is creative.

He employs thousands, and probably keeps thousands more in jobs in his supply chains.

He's doing things to push society forwards and make the world a different place, like the transition to EVs from ICE vehicles.

His politics I like not so much.

But I don't think his wealth is disgusting or undeserved.

If we didn't have people like him around we'd still be living in caves.

I hope he finds new things to do with his new found wealth. Maybe find a cure for cancer, solve the nuclear fusion engineering problem or establish a Mars base.

His politics I like not so much.

That's a rather weak response to his politics. His Doge initiative has been the cause of hundreds of thousands of children dying.

He's an abhorrent man. His Twitter AI Grok was producing child porn

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2026/01/10/when-grok-generates-childlike-sexual-imagery-turning-it-off-isnt-optional/

When Grok Generates Child‑Like Sexual Imagery, Turning It Off Isn’t Optional

Elon Musk’s Grok shows why regulators can’t treat synthetic CSAM as a fix-it-later problem.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2026/01/10/when-grok-generates-childlike-sexual-imagery-turning-it-off-isnt-optional/

Walnutslooklikebrains · Today 11:57

Look at what he has achieved. That's how.

randomchap · Today 12:30

Walnutslooklikebrains · Today 11:57

Look at what he has achieved. That's how.

and look at what he's done with that power and influence.

Nothing good. Hundreds of thousands of deaths, mostly children.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · Today 12:34

LadyVioletBridgerton · Yesterday 22:53

I’d be perfectly happy to be worth a trillion pounds.

I’d be alright with it, too.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · Today 12:35

randomchap · Today 12:30

and look at what he's done with that power and influence.

Nothing good. Hundreds of thousands of deaths, mostly children.

What children??

cloudtreecarpet · Today 12:52

GasPanic · Today 11:41

He's a guy that does something with his money, works hard and is creative.

He employs thousands, and probably keeps thousands more in jobs in his supply chains.

He's doing things to push society forwards and make the world a different place, like the transition to EVs from ICE vehicles.

His politics I like not so much.

But I don't think his wealth is disgusting or undeserved.

If we didn't have people like him around we'd still be living in caves.

I hope he finds new things to do with his new found wealth. Maybe find a cure for cancer, solve the nuclear fusion engineering problem or establish a Mars base.

Yes, someone like Musk is definitely going to use his wealth for the good of mankind.

No, he will use to leverage power he shouldn't have and to try to control the media as he has done by buying up Twitter for example & creating Grok.

He is not a good man.

cloudtreecarpet · Today 12:56

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · Today 12:34

I’d be alright with it, too.

Really?
No feelings of guilt at amassing such wealth in a world where deprivation and extreme poverty still exists? Even in your own country?

I would like to have it so I could do something very worthwhile with it and I would enjoy giving the majority of it away but I certainly wouldn't want to just sit with it.

user1476613140 · Today 13:03

randomchap · Today 12:40

I'm alright Jack - at least his own family is doing great, eh?

GeneralPeter · Today 13:05

cloudtreecarpet · Today 12:56

Really?
No feelings of guilt at amassing such wealth in a world where deprivation and extreme poverty still exists? Even in your own country?

I would like to have it so I could do something very worthwhile with it and I would enjoy giving the majority of it away but I certainly wouldn't want to just sit with it.

He has pledged to give the majority of his wealth away.

Whether he does or not time will tell of course.

But given how fast and consistently he’s grown wealth by keeping and investing it, the argument for ‘donate later’ vs ‘donate now’ is pretty compelling.

GeneralPeter · Today 13:11

@cloudtreecarpet Also he isn’t ’just sitting’ with his money. This is a total misunderstanding of the wealth figure. He runs about five companies all of which he’s a major investor in. That’s what he is doing with the money.

He claims his cash is <0.1% of his paper wealth. That seems pretty plausible. It’s still lots, obviously, but it’s <$1bn.

RamsayBoltonsConscience · Today 13:17

The only fair thing that could happen to Musk is to die and be sent to hell where he has to earn back every dollar of his worth while working a minimum wage job and paying all his bills…

OonaStubbs · Today 13:21

Humanity needs people like Musk to push us forwards. What he is doing as far with SpaceX will lead to OffWorld colonies and asteroid mining. We can't stay on earth forever.

KateSixer · Today 13:28

JimBobsWife · Today 11:29

If being rewarded is ok, what level of reward do you think is the right level? And what would you do when successful companies reach that level? Stop them trading?

Or do you not think being rewarded is ok?

But he's not being "rewarded" in that sense is he? Not in the sense that you might get a bonus at work for a successful project?

The trillion dollar figure comes about because other people (for instance the people who are managing your pension pot) are buying shares in SpaceX at a price that (if you multiply the shares Musk himself already owns by that price) creates that number.

So this thread is all about Musk, but the trillion dollar figure is actually a product of what third party investors value his companies at.

SadTimesInFife · Today 13:33

mondaytosunday · Today 11:14

Well it’s not liquid, 99.9% is the worth of his companies (SpaceX accounts for about 75%, then Tesla and several other ventures). If he decided to cash out he’d cause a huge stock market panic and he’d walk away with about £100billion (according to some estimates). Not exactly chump change though…I hope he follows Bill Gates example and gives away most of his fortune to philanthropic causes. Gates would have passed the one trillion mark back in 2024 if he hadn’t sold so much of his Microsoft shares. He has given away over $100 billion and plans to give a further $200 billion over the next two decades.

Bill Gates is a dick.
"Tim Schwab’s book, The Bill Gates Problem: Reckoning With the Myth of the Good Billionaire challenges the narrative of Bill Gates as a benevolent savior. It argues that Gates's vast philanthropy masks a power-hungry effort to control global policies, public health, and agricultural markets while evading democratic accountability."

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · Today 13:43

RamsayBoltonsConscience · Today 13:17

The only fair thing that could happen to Musk is to die and be sent to hell where he has to earn back every dollar of his worth while working a minimum wage job and paying all his bills…

Well, one of things is guaranteed to occur.

cloudtreecarpet · Today 13:43

GeneralPeter · Today 13:11

@cloudtreecarpet Also he isn’t ’just sitting’ with his money. This is a total misunderstanding of the wealth figure. He runs about five companies all of which he’s a major investor in. That’s what he is doing with the money.

He claims his cash is <0.1% of his paper wealth. That seems pretty plausible. It’s still lots, obviously, but it’s <$1bn.

I wasn't actually talking about him in that moment, I was just reflecting on the idea of wanting to have a trillion pounds.

cloudtreecarpet · Today 13:45

OonaStubbs · Today 13:21

Humanity needs people like Musk to push us forwards. What he is doing as far with SpaceX will lead to OffWorld colonies and asteroid mining. We can't stay on earth forever.

Wouldn't it be nice to try to fix a few things on Earth before finding somewhere else for rich people to f**k up?