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How is it possible to be worth a trillion?

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aurpod1980 · 12/06/2026 21:40

Is it just utter madness that one man can be worth a trillion dollars ? $1000 billion Wtaf

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cloudtreecarpet · 14/06/2026 09:32

StandingDeskDisco · 14/06/2026 09:28

Some people seem to imagine he has £ trillion sitting in a bank account.

All wealth held in shares is 'imaginary' until converted into an actual bank balance by selling the shares.
For that matter the same goes for all other non-realised assets, like your house, jewellery, paintings, antiques, etc. etc.
It may be quite likely to hold its value well, but you don't really know what it is worth until you come to sell it. And until you sell it, the only value is the intrinsic use of the item (A house is for living in, a painting is for looking at, etc.)

This point has been made over and over again on this thread and we all get it - he doesn't have a trillion dollars sitting in a bank account or in thousands of boxes in his garden shed.

BUT he is still worth a ridiculous amount of money which many people here feel is an amount one single person should not have in their name, whether it's on paper or in actual cash is irrelevant to the original discussion the OP generated.

Pansykavalier · 14/06/2026 09:36

Bedofroses85 · 14/06/2026 09:02

But his money is not buying him a lifestyle. Is enabling him to invest in projects that will take billions to take off the ground. So he should give it all away. Who to? To the earlier poster who suggested giving 1,000 to the poorest people in the world. How many billions have been given away by charities to help eradicate poverty in the poorest, most needy countries? And how much of a difference has this made in the long term? Not a lot, TBH..

He could emulate Muhammad Yunus to help the world’s poorest start viable businesses in their communities… Instead of engaging in outer space vanity projects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus

Muhammad Yunus - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus

InterestedDad37 · 14/06/2026 09:41

It's madness. (I looked this up 👉) 1 million seconds in the past is less than two weeks ago, but a billion seconds puts us in 1994, and a trillion seconds goes back to approximately 29,000 B.C., predating recorded history.

Whatafustercluck · 14/06/2026 09:50

1dayatatime · 12/06/2026 22:12

Is it?

Back in 1999 at the height of the sitcom bubble Elon Musk made $22 million by selling the he and his brother company founded in 1995.

Now most people would probably bank the $22 million and not work again. But he risked it to set up a new company X.com in 1999 which then merged with PayPal and then sold to eBay in 2002.

Then in 2002 he founded SpaceX the sale of which today has made him a trillionaire.

So yes he could have just retired with his original $22 million but what makes him different to the rest of us is that it's not just about the money it's about new businesses, developing new products and pushing the frontiers of technology.

On that basis he should be applauded for becoming the first trillionaire.

You're right. What an absolute hero. Who cares if he's a Nazi?

ObelixtheGaul · 14/06/2026 11:56

GasPanic · 13/06/2026 15:08

That is why it grows so much quicker than GDP - they are not just creating it, they are taking it.

Suppose it depends what you mean by "taking wealth".

But if you look at a business like SpaceX, it is expanding satellite launching hugely and lowering costs. A lot of that satellite launching is being used for projects like Starlink.

Starlink is basically energising the whole African continent, it's basically putting digital communications in place that are being used to grow the local economies. This is probably going to do far more in improving quality of life on the African continent than the overseas aid money we keep sending in.

This is the sort of stuff Musk is doing with his money. So for me, yes he is doing some less desirable stuff, but he is also doing some things that are beneficial.

I suspect most viewpoints of him are largely influenced by politics.

If you agree with his politics he's good. And if you don't he's bad.

Of course the truth, as is with most things, is that it's a bit more complicated than that.

I think that's the problem, and it's not just with Musk. It's not the businesses or the wealth, it's the political influence of the unelected elite.
Whether you or I agree with his politics isn't the point. The problem is the increasing shift towards a modern form of global feudalism.

Yes, it's always been there to a degree, but the amount of power now held by a few in not just their own nations but the world should be cause for concern. Doesn't matter how 'good' we might think those individuals are, we shouldn't be in a position that means we are dependent on the caprices of individual personalities. No matter how benevolent a dictatorship is, it's still a dictatorship.

We're being bought with shiny toys and the promise of new beginnings on another planet. It's the ultimate colonialism without needing to send the soldiers over. Despite the fact that we've already made this mistake with China, it fascinates me that we don't seem to be able to see how easily we can lose our autonomy and it's much worse than being in the EU. At least we could vote for MEPs.

OonaStubbs · 14/06/2026 21:47

Sorry but over the past few days I have spent time dealing with absolute morons at work, seeing couples screaming at each other in the supermarket, and watching drunks humping each other in the street, and I thank God there are people like Elon Musk who can see things on a different level and take us into the future. I won't live to see it but hopefully my children and grandchildren will.

randomchap · 14/06/2026 21:55

OonaStubbs · 14/06/2026 21:47

Sorry but over the past few days I have spent time dealing with absolute morons at work, seeing couples screaming at each other in the supermarket, and watching drunks humping each other in the street, and I thank God there are people like Elon Musk who can see things on a different level and take us into the future. I won't live to see it but hopefully my children and grandchildren will.

Half million children killed by Doge cuts to USAID

He does not deserve any praise whatsoever.

OonaStubbs · 14/06/2026 22:09

randomchap · 14/06/2026 21:55

Half million children killed by Doge cuts to USAID

He does not deserve any praise whatsoever.

So you keep saying.

Nofeckingway · 14/06/2026 22:19

And for all that wealth, power and influence he doesn't seem to have any quality of life whatsoever. No real family unit , just disjointed groups, no real home , no real friends . No thanks

randomchap · 14/06/2026 22:21

OonaStubbs · 14/06/2026 22:09

So you keep saying.

And yet people praise him.

You're aware of the deaths. Why do you think he's praiseworthy in light of that information

OonaStubbs · 14/06/2026 23:00

randomchap · 14/06/2026 22:21

And yet people praise him.

You're aware of the deaths. Why do you think he's praiseworthy in light of that information

Because he is doing something worthwhile. Those children are not the responsibility of Musk to feed. He could spend all his money feeding hungry children. There'd just be more hungry children tomorrow to feed.

Secretseverywhere · 14/06/2026 23:12

I think the way the companies are bundled together is interesting. A massive amount of the valuation is attributed to the potential of the AI which is currently ( comparatively) shite. The idea being space based data centres are the future and due to space x now transporting 80-90% of all the stuff going up to space including governments not just private companies they will effectively be able to corner the future market which will generate revenue.

It seems to me to be a right old gamble. That the AI just needs enough processing power and then it can overtake chat GPT/ Anthropic. That they can create space based data centres at all. Thst this can be done within a short enough time period for the value to increase. That AI can realise the revenue to justify the investment.

I personally can’t see it but I am a plodder not a gambler. It takes people like Elon to move technology along, History is full of men who have invested their money in new technologies thst others thought impossible. Not every idea pays off of course but even if it doesn’t it still contributes to progress

randomchap · 14/06/2026 23:17

OonaStubbs · 14/06/2026 23:00

Because he is doing something worthwhile. Those children are not the responsibility of Musk to feed. He could spend all his money feeding hungry children. There'd just be more hungry children tomorrow to feed.

So you didn't actually read about what he's done. 🤔

randomchap · 14/06/2026 23:19

Secretseverywhere · 14/06/2026 23:12

I think the way the companies are bundled together is interesting. A massive amount of the valuation is attributed to the potential of the AI which is currently ( comparatively) shite. The idea being space based data centres are the future and due to space x now transporting 80-90% of all the stuff going up to space including governments not just private companies they will effectively be able to corner the future market which will generate revenue.

It seems to me to be a right old gamble. That the AI just needs enough processing power and then it can overtake chat GPT/ Anthropic. That they can create space based data centres at all. Thst this can be done within a short enough time period for the value to increase. That AI can realise the revenue to justify the investment.

I personally can’t see it but I am a plodder not a gambler. It takes people like Elon to move technology along, History is full of men who have invested their money in new technologies thst others thought impossible. Not every idea pays off of course but even if it doesn’t it still contributes to progress

Space based data centres? The big issue with data centres is the cooling. How are you to do that in the vacuum of space? Vacuums are great for insulation, not conducting heat away from somewhere

Secretseverywhere · 14/06/2026 23:46

randomchap · 14/06/2026 23:19

Space based data centres? The big issue with data centres is the cooling. How are you to do that in the vacuum of space? Vacuums are great for insulation, not conducting heat away from somewhere

I thought that too. In theory you’d use liquid filled loops and retractable metal plates to radiate the heat out. Of course you’d also want to be in an orbit that you get constant light / energy from the sun to avoid costly batteries. Obviously not too much though as then the surrounding space would be too hot.

I can’t see it but if there is nothing novel in the pipeline then how can the valuation be justified?

randomchap · 14/06/2026 23:51

Secretseverywhere · 14/06/2026 23:46

I thought that too. In theory you’d use liquid filled loops and retractable metal plates to radiate the heat out. Of course you’d also want to be in an orbit that you get constant light / energy from the sun to avoid costly batteries. Obviously not too much though as then the surrounding space would be too hot.

I can’t see it but if there is nothing novel in the pipeline then how can the valuation be justified?

It's not just the cooling, it's maintenance, and the radiation will damage chips too. Unless they are hardened. But that would involve some kind of shielding which will add even more weight to the launches.

I very much doubt the valuation is justified.

1dayatatime · 15/06/2026 00:04

Whatafustercluck · 14/06/2026 09:50

You're right. What an absolute hero. Who cares if he's a Nazi?

Do you have any actual evidence that he is a Nazi? Or is as I suspect this is a term that you throw around at anyone that you dislike or disagree with you etc etc. it's a bit pathetic really.

Why dont you add fascist, homophobic and racist to complete the bollocks buzz word bingo?

Secretseverywhere · 15/06/2026 00:18

randomchap · 14/06/2026 21:55

Half million children killed by Doge cuts to USAID

He does not deserve any praise whatsoever.

Are those children being killed by cuts or are they being killed because conflicts are creating humanitarian crises. For example do the two factions who are battling it out in Sudan bear no responsibility? They have killed hundreds of thousands of people including tens of thousands of civilians, normalised horrendous sexual violence as a weapon of war, displaced millions of people from their homes and caused extreme famine about 20% of children are dangerously malnourished. It’s not just one country either more of the world is suffering from conflict than at any other point since ww2.

Demands for aid are ever increasing, the return for those “soft” diplomacy dollars is ever diminishing, China has invested heavily through the BRI and it shows, not so hot on aid though.

category12 · 15/06/2026 06:37

OonaStubbs · 14/06/2026 23:00

Because he is doing something worthwhile. Those children are not the responsibility of Musk to feed. He could spend all his money feeding hungry children. There'd just be more hungry children tomorrow to feed.

That there are always more people suffering isn't a reason not to help the ones you can! What kind of bullshit is that?

In 2021, he challenged the UN world food programme to show him a way to end world hunger - and they told him a step by step plan costing £6.6 billion that would have fed 42 million people for a year. 42 million. He didn't donate any money to them.

We don't need a new planet, we need to look after this one.

randomchap · 15/06/2026 06:45

Secretseverywhere · 15/06/2026 00:18

Are those children being killed by cuts or are they being killed because conflicts are creating humanitarian crises. For example do the two factions who are battling it out in Sudan bear no responsibility? They have killed hundreds of thousands of people including tens of thousands of civilians, normalised horrendous sexual violence as a weapon of war, displaced millions of people from their homes and caused extreme famine about 20% of children are dangerously malnourished. It’s not just one country either more of the world is suffering from conflict than at any other point since ww2.

Demands for aid are ever increasing, the return for those “soft” diplomacy dollars is ever diminishing, China has invested heavily through the BRI and it shows, not so hot on aid though.

Killed by cuts to USAID. Cuts made by Musk's Doge department.

Whatafustercluck · 15/06/2026 07:57

1dayatatime · 15/06/2026 00:04

Do you have any actual evidence that he is a Nazi? Or is as I suspect this is a term that you throw around at anyone that you dislike or disagree with you etc etc. it's a bit pathetic really.

Why dont you add fascist, homophobic and racist to complete the bollocks buzz word bingo?

Well, there's this.

How is it possible to be worth a trillion?
Secretseverywhere · 15/06/2026 07:59

randomchap · 15/06/2026 06:45

Killed by cuts to USAID. Cuts made by Musk's Doge department.

How interesting that must of happened in a vacuum with no other factors. I do hope at some point your equally as effusive condemning our own and other western governments who’ve also slashed aid budgets. Perhaps waiting for a study and a headline?

I don’t disagree that these preventable deaths are awful. I am quite honestly devastated at the way the world is going. I don’t entirely understand why though when you have other countries fuelling a humanitarian crisis via funding and weapons then the blame is all directed at the cuts? Surely we should be looking at the roots of an issue.

Secretseverywhere · 15/06/2026 08:08

randomchap · 14/06/2026 23:51

It's not just the cooling, it's maintenance, and the radiation will damage chips too. Unless they are hardened. But that would involve some kind of shielding which will add even more weight to the launches.

I very much doubt the valuation is justified.

I’d agree, I think that’s true over much of the AI / chips sector. Super high valuations/ investment but no real way to make a profit (currently) to justify. It’s like the investors all have FOMO in case it turns out to be a unicorn.

1dayatatime · 15/06/2026 08:10

@Whatafustercluck

Well there is this:

How is it possible to be worth a trillion?
randomchap · 15/06/2026 08:10

Secretseverywhere · 15/06/2026 07:59

How interesting that must of happened in a vacuum with no other factors. I do hope at some point your equally as effusive condemning our own and other western governments who’ve also slashed aid budgets. Perhaps waiting for a study and a headline?

I don’t disagree that these preventable deaths are awful. I am quite honestly devastated at the way the world is going. I don’t entirely understand why though when you have other countries fuelling a humanitarian crisis via funding and weapons then the blame is all directed at the cuts? Surely we should be looking at the roots of an issue.

The Doge cuts have been devastating

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/the-human-cost-one-year-after-the-us-took-a-chainsaw-to-global-health/

But lets look a the other shit he's caused. Doge cancelled the Panamanian/Colombian Screwworm barrier.

Now the parasite (Screwworm not Musk) has reached America and is damaging farming up there

www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2026/06/11/fda-approves-emergency-screwworm-treatment-as-cases-rise-to-7-in-texas-new-mexico/

The cancellation was done by Doge when he was in charge of it. More idiocy by Musk

From the Forbes article

"The return of screwworm comes after the Elon Musk-led Department of Government Efficiency, launched by the Trump administration, last year cut funding for a project dedicated to monitoring and containing New World screwworm in Central America.

The funding was axed days before the U.S. ended a temporary suspension of cattle imports from Mexico, meaning livestock was allowed to cross the border without any of the monitoring previously funded by the U.S. Agency of International Development (USAID)."

US

One Year Later: The Effect Of US 'Chainsaw' On Global Health - Health Policy Watch

One year ago today (20 January), the Trump administration exploded the global health sector by immediately “pausing” all aid for 90 days – and dispensing with

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/the-human-cost-one-year-after-the-us-took-a-chainsaw-to-global-health/