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How is it possible to be worth a trillion?

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aurpod1980 · Yesterday 21:40

Is it just utter madness that one man can be worth a trillion dollars ? $1000 billion Wtaf

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cloudtreecarpet · Today 07:39

GeneralPeter · Today 06:09

He hasn’t got that much money though. He has shares of businesses that are worth that on paper. There is no way he could realise that money without collapsing the value of those companies.

The argument is made that: why does he keep all that money, when he could be doing something valuable with it. It completely misunderstands what’s happening. He is using the money. If you want to know whether he is doing good or not with his wealth you need to consider what SpaceX, Tesla are doing and whether you think that’s positive or not.

"He hasn't got that much money though"

Uh-huh.
Just quite a few billion then. That changes everything.

user1476613140 · Today 07:40

1dayatatime · Yesterday 22:24

So you prefer that people don't set up new businesses and develop new products and new technologies?

Or you're happy if they do but you don't like them getting rewarded if they succeed? Which then raises the question of why would anyone bother setting up such a new business/ technology?

I think it's the monopolisation of wealth that many have a problem with. Let others get a chance to create and develop new technology or companies? Why should only one person have that right?

CuntOfTheLitter · Today 07:42

It is fucking awful. I felt so depressed when I read this article about it yesterday that I went for a nap to escape how shit this world is

HelpMeGetThrough · Today 07:45

CuntOfTheLitter · Today 07:42

It is fucking awful. I felt so depressed when I read this article about it yesterday that I went for a nap to escape how shit this world is

Depressed? Seems strong, just read it and move on with your day.

cloudtreecarpet · Today 07:45

CuntOfTheLitter · Today 07:42

It is fucking awful. I felt so depressed when I read this article about it yesterday that I went for a nap to escape how shit this world is

And what is the most depressing thing about it is the way that so many people think it's ok and actually applaud him, and others like him, for becoming obscenely rich.

That is almost more depressing than him becoming a trillionaire in the first place.

user1476613140 · Today 07:46

KateSixer · Today 06:34

Do tell me what you do for a living if Musk's life is so easily attainable!!

And while there is much in your post I find slightly risible I think the implication that the NHS is not already fucked up takes the biscuit!

You see your view is so odd to me. To simply take Starlink as a single example. Bringing superfast satellite based internet to every spot on the globe at an affordable price for almost every family is, to me, a massive, positive, enabling innovation with huge humanitarian potential.

But you can't see the achievements. You can't see how potentially world changing that is. To me you seem mired in some sulky state of curmudgeonly envy.

Please tell me it isn't true! Up

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Yippee, let's be spied on in our daily lives with all this super technology and rot the minds of the next generation to sit staring at their ipads and gadgets all day. We need to make physical exercise a priority for all. Battling obesity would be more effective rather than focusing on faster Internet. It's because of technology the world is having so many problems!

user1476613140 · Today 07:47

CuntOfTheLitter · Today 07:42

It is fucking awful. I felt so depressed when I read this article about it yesterday that I went for a nap to escape how shit this world is

I agree with you. It's not something to be celebrated tbh. It's actually very concerning.

Missymoo100 · Today 07:51

Paper wealth- you can’t divide it up and make everyone richer - because the real problem of poverty is the availability of food, shelter services and materials. More money doesn’t mean more resources suddenly become available, it’s just not that simple.

Luddite26 · Today 07:51

GeneralPeter · Today 06:09

He hasn’t got that much money though. He has shares of businesses that are worth that on paper. There is no way he could realise that money without collapsing the value of those companies.

The argument is made that: why does he keep all that money, when he could be doing something valuable with it. It completely misunderstands what’s happening. He is using the money. If you want to know whether he is doing good or not with his wealth you need to consider what SpaceX, Tesla are doing and whether you think that’s positive or not.

And X.

Livelovebehappy · Today 07:56

cloudtreecarpet · Today 07:26

This is quite literally the stupidest comment I have read on here in a while.
As if "everyone started with the same opportunity to thrive"???

Imagine what a world like that would look like - everyone starting life with the same opportunities?
People like Musk amassing obscene amounts of wealth for themselves is what actually stops everyone starting from the same point.

Surely you can see you are spouting nonsense here can't you?

No it really isn’t… it’s the regimes and the leaders of the world who dictate whether their people live their best lives. Behind every poverty stricken country sits a very reach leader, who gets richer on the back of foreign aid. Fiddles while Rome burns kind of thing.

Livelovebehappy · Today 07:57

user1476613140 · Today 07:40

I think it's the monopolisation of wealth that many have a problem with. Let others get a chance to create and develop new technology or companies? Why should only one person have that right?

Well people do….are you saying Musk monopolises the entire wealth and innovation in the world? He doesn’t. So stop frothing at the mouth….

Shoola · Today 07:58

user1476613140 · Today 07:40

I think it's the monopolisation of wealth that many have a problem with. Let others get a chance to create and develop new technology or companies? Why should only one person have that right?

Loads of people do it. Some are good at it and some are bad at it. Some countries make it easy for people to start up businesses and some put lots of barriers in the way so only big business and multinational corporations can survive.

Nesbi · Today 08:01

Let’s start by putting a wealth tax in place for the billionaire/trillionaire class to ensure that they pay taxes at a broadly equivalent rate to those of us who have no choice but to pay it through PAYE.

Tax is supposed to be progressive, those with the broadest shoulders should be paying the most. Instead we see them take full advantage of a system that lets them claim they have almost no income, and so instead they carry a fraction of the tax burden that the rest of us labour under.

Musk and Bezos and the like will say you can’t tax their shares unless they sell them, but will then use inflated value of those same shares to borrow against in order to fund their next private jet, or half billion dollar yacht. Bezos apparently boasted that his “income” was so low he received child benefit payments. It’s just a joke to them, and we are the punchline. They will use the media they own to tell you that nothing can be done about it, that you should accept it as a fact of life. Don’t be fooled. We have structured our tax system in the past to prevent this sort of vast disparity from happening, and with sufficient motivation we could do it again. Just be aware that the billionaires on the other side will do everything they can, with all the vast resources at their disposal, to prevent it from happening.

This is a problem that should really unite all sides of the political spectrum. If you ever wanted to “take back control”, then these are the people you should be taking it back from!

Meadowfinch · Today 08:01

But what a thoroughly unpleasant and ignorant man !!

They say if you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gives it to.

deeahgwitch · Today 08:01

I just don’t get “the race to Space” thing and Space X being so valuable.
I would much rather that the money was spent on making this planet, Earth, a better place for the poor and marginalised people living on it.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 08:01

Frankly, Elon Musk is not "worth" the dirt on the bottom of my shoe. He is a vile human being with no moral compass.

But he is obscenely rich. Nobody needs that amount of money.

Sartre · Today 08:06

the80sweregreat · Yesterday 21:55

I can’t imagine that amount of 00s tbh.
He doesn’t look particularly happy. Most of it must be tied up in lots of other things , but no idea 🤷

It is. He owns Tesla, Space X, X, neuralink, xAI…

Spacex is worth 2.1 trillion. He doesn’t literally have a trillion in the bank.

notnorman · Today 08:17

99.9% apparently is tied up in s and s, holdings etc. it’s not like his got it in his bank

IPoopRainblows · Today 08:23

user1476613140 · Today 07:40

I think it's the monopolisation of wealth that many have a problem with. Let others get a chance to create and develop new technology or companies? Why should only one person have that right?

Many others have created new tech and are also billionaires :
Mark Zuckerberg - Meta, Jeff bezos- Amazon,
Larry Page. - Google and many others. All billionaires. Musk just got to the trillion mark first.

WonderingWanda · Today 08:23

ParmesanRealignment · Yesterday 22:22

He OWNS a trillion.

But worth is measured differently. I doubt very much he’s WORTH a trillion

Agree with this, he is a vile human and has very little worth in my opinion.

user1476613140 · Today 08:27

Nesbi · Today 06:48

It is appalling. Billionaires and now a trillionaire amass power in a way that is completely disruptive to democratic society.

Look at what happens - they buy the media, and they buy the politicians. Their wealth is such that it continues to grow exponentially, and they get richer far faster than the economies of the world grow. This is why their wealth becomes a larger and larger percentage of the total wealth of the entire planet. For that to happen there has to be a transfer of wealth - money is moving from everyone else to them.

We are all seeing the effects of that, like frogs gradually being boiled. When we feel that life is getting more and more expensive, when we worry that our children won’t be able to get a decent paying job, when we see home ownership become unobtainable for ordinary people - all this comes from the wealth of the planet becoming concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people.

For the vast majority of us, standards of living are falling, but for a tiny minority their wealth accelerates faster than they can possibly ever spend it.

This situation won’t change unless we choose to use the one thing we do have, strength of numbers, to change it. Otherwise it will continue to happen, eventually they will own everything, and all we will be able to do is rent the things we need from them with our time and labour. Societies have been run like that before, there is nothing to stop it from happening again unless we exercise our right to make changes while we still can.

Wow someone actually talking some sense on MN😂

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VariousPears · Today 08:30

How much of it will go to the people his ideologies appeal to? That's all I wanna know.

perlan · Today 08:35

He will be dead one day and his wealth won't help him then.

I blank it out mostly, because it is too mind boggling to take in. He is not the only one who is mega rich and consequently can move the levers of power in Governments and society. Others are just as wealthy but stay under the publicity radar.

I'll just continue to live as I've always done, and largely ignore news about people like him. He's not giving me any of his wealth is he?

cloudtreecarpet · Today 08:40

Livelovebehappy · Today 07:56

No it really isn’t… it’s the regimes and the leaders of the world who dictate whether their people live their best lives. Behind every poverty stricken country sits a very reach leader, who gets richer on the back of foreign aid. Fiddles while Rome burns kind of thing.

So, again, not everyone has the same opportunities starting out?

You are actually agreeing with me with your statement here, not arguing a different point.

cloudtreecarpet · Today 08:41

user1476613140 · Today 08:27

Wow someone actually talking some sense on MN😂

👏

I know, it's great.
Unfortunately it won't last long