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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

776 replies

Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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Velumental · Today 11:35

cardibach · Today 11:31

The point is you are paraphrasing. @Velumental has said NI has very violent groups and there’s a lot of violence, much of which doesn’t reach the national press. She is right as far as I can see. And this one has, rightly, made the national press - so there’s no cover up which is what the OP alleged.

Thank you, you've put that very concisely.

Velumental · Today 11:38

Gloriia · Today 11:22

Loyalist terrorists my arse.

It's a volatile place many brought up against the backdrop of gang violence yes but in this situation I've seen both republicans and loyalists join together to condem and protest this horrific atrocity.

Are you northern Irish? Because I can assure you that's not the picture I'm seeing. Not the picture I'm hearing from friends and family who still live there. We all know who is out there rioting and we all know what holds real fear.

Do you know the area this is happening in? I do.

There's a massive divide in how the 2 communities feel about these protests.

That's the schools in Belfast closed because the kids aren't safe from the protests by the way. Thank God for these men, keeping the locals safe.

Gloriia · Today 11:40

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 11:24

Yes perfect solution.

Walkyrie · Today 11:42

cardibach · Today 11:18

Nobody on the left condense this violence. The ‘whatabouts’ on this thread are in response to the OP saying it wasn’t reported because the perpetrator wasn’t white. People pointed to cases where it wasn’t reported much when the perpetrator was white and compared that to the really very extensive coverage (rightly) of this attack. It’s not about the violence. How can you not grasp that?

No but to them, their first thought is ‘omg, better not result in anything racist’ when somebody is lying dead or with their eyes gouged out and throat half severed.

Apart from when it’s Jews though - in those cases, the antisemitism is ‘not good but what do you expect… Palestine.. I don’t condone it but…’ etc

Savvysix1984 · Today 11:46

Gloriia · Today 11:22

Loyalist terrorists my arse.

It's a volatile place many brought up against the backdrop of gang violence yes but in this situation I've seen both republicans and loyalists join together to condem and protest this horrific atrocity.

It is predominantly led by loyalists in loyalist areas. That’s Fact. The chief constable said it this morning. The UUP leader said it this morning.
loyalists always get itchy feet this time of year coming up to the 12th. Want to get as much rioting practice as they can in. Same as this time last year. They will use any excuse to spread hate and destruction.

Gloriia · Today 11:46

cardibach · Today 11:31

The point is you are paraphrasing. @Velumental has said NI has very violent groups and there’s a lot of violence, much of which doesn’t reach the national press. She is right as far as I can see. And this one has, rightly, made the national press - so there’s no cover up which is what the OP alleged.

But she linked to a pregnant woman being shot that did indeed make the national press. The ongoing gangs fighting and drug dealing of course won't be on the main news every day.

The op said yesterday morning that the media were quiet, they were then! Things changed in 24hrs. That does happen you know, fast moving situations are very common in the media.

Gloriia · Today 11:48

Savvysix1984 · Today 11:46

It is predominantly led by loyalists in loyalist areas. That’s Fact. The chief constable said it this morning. The UUP leader said it this morning.
loyalists always get itchy feet this time of year coming up to the 12th. Want to get as much rioting practice as they can in. Same as this time last year. They will use any excuse to spread hate and destruction.

Ohhh that must be why peace loving Mr Adams condemned it. It's the wrong thugs!

Velumental · Today 11:54

It took well over 24 hours for that story to break in the wider UK.

First reports on the BBC were there when I got up yesterday morning. I'd been aware of it on northern Irish sites and Facebook pages overnight because my children don't sleep but I think an attack occuring locally overnight being available UK wide by the morning is no sign of a cover up

Velumental · Today 11:55

Gloriia · Today 11:46

But she linked to a pregnant woman being shot that did indeed make the national press. The ongoing gangs fighting and drug dealing of course won't be on the main news every day.

The op said yesterday morning that the media were quiet, they were then! Things changed in 24hrs. That does happen you know, fast moving situations are very common in the media.

Edited

Th OP posted at 8.55am and there were already reports on the BBC news website.

cardibach · Today 12:02

Walkyrie · Today 11:42

No but to them, their first thought is ‘omg, better not result in anything racist’ when somebody is lying dead or with their eyes gouged out and throat half severed.

Apart from when it’s Jews though - in those cases, the antisemitism is ‘not good but what do you expect… Palestine.. I don’t condone it but…’ etc

Well yes. The first thought is to prevent further violence, what with the first bit being so horrible. There’s an emotional reaction to the initial attack at once - of horror - but the first rational thought is ‘I hope this doesn’t flare more violence or racism against the innocent’ not ‘I’m so angry I’m going to burn a bus,

cardibach · Today 12:03

Gloriia · Today 11:46

But she linked to a pregnant woman being shot that did indeed make the national press. The ongoing gangs fighting and drug dealing of course won't be on the main news every day.

The op said yesterday morning that the media were quiet, they were then! Things changed in 24hrs. That does happen you know, fast moving situations are very common in the media.

Edited

Yes. Because MOST stories doesn’t make the national press isn’t the same as ALL stories are ignored by the national press. This is so clear I’m sure you are pretending not to understand.

Gloriia · Today 12:08

cardibach · Today 12:03

Yes. Because MOST stories doesn’t make the national press isn’t the same as ALL stories are ignored by the national press. This is so clear I’m sure you are pretending not to understand.

Well ditto. I've no idea whe you don't understand some stories will hit national news and some won't. No one wants to hear about Belfast gangs and 'wife beaters' <as the pp described> 24/7.

Gloriia · Today 12:11

Velumental · Today 11:55

Th OP posted at 8.55am and there were already reports on the BBC news website.

Sidelines. Trying to sweep under the carpet, just another stabbing in ni. Until outrage on sm became loud and impossible to ignore.

Velumental · Today 12:13

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 11:21

You really are on a mission of whataboutary.
Digging in the archives. While your at it, can you research how many pregnant women in Sudan.
Heres a snippet.
The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights has reported that at least 118 people had been subjected to sexual violence, including rape, gang rape, and attempted rape in Sudan as of mid-December 2023, including 19 children.

This woman isn't on Sudan, she's hiding from terrorist gangs in northern Ireland having thought she'd successfully escaped gangs in sudan

IPoopRainblows · Today 12:19

Gloriia · Today 11:22

Loyalist terrorists my arse.

It's a volatile place many brought up against the backdrop of gang violence yes but in this situation I've seen both republicans and loyalists join together to condem and protest this horrific atrocity.

You have very strong views on NI and yet clearly know absolutely nothing about the place

The rioters in Belfast are Loyalist with the activity primarily occurring in loyalists areas, The social media campaign is very clear ‘ foreigners out of Belfast’ as they wave the Union Jack. It’s clear as day what is going on.

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · Today 12:19

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · Yesterday 11:48

Yeah, no. That's not how it works.
As I said upthread, any actual genuine publication, whether it be the BBC, the Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Express or whoever, have to verify actual facts first.
Unlike Joe Patriot with his smartphone who just fancies himself as a "citizen journalist".

Just quoting myself as it seems that people on the thread still don't know how reporting works.
It's not a conspiracy to have to wait for actual facts and verifying. 🙄
Honestly, are we all that used to 24 hr rolling news and social media we've lost all sight of common sense?!

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 12:24

Velumental · Today 12:13

This woman isn't on Sudan, she's hiding from terrorist gangs in northern Ireland having thought she'd successfully escaped gangs in sudan

A lot of those men from Sudan are here. Not fleeing persecution more like prosecution.

You’re from the north of Ireland . I have a lot of family there so you’ll be aware that those thugs are a minority from certain areas but certainly don’t reflect on the entire 6 counties. It’s the same in no go areas all over Ireland. Run down council estates in Dublin are racist and full of drug dealing criminals, similar to the UK.
I cannot see people in private areas out burning the city. It’s not Northern Ireland as a whole, nothing like it.

cardibach · Today 12:27

Gloriia · Today 12:08

Well ditto. I've no idea whe you don't understand some stories will hit national news and some won't. No one wants to hear about Belfast gangs and 'wife beaters' <as the pp described> 24/7.

The point abput no media cover up is really going over your head here, isn’t it?
I can’t help any more than I already have.

Walkyrie · Today 12:29

IPoopRainblows · Today 12:19

You have very strong views on NI and yet clearly know absolutely nothing about the place

The rioters in Belfast are Loyalist with the activity primarily occurring in loyalists areas, The social media campaign is very clear ‘ foreigners out of Belfast’ as they wave the Union Jack. It’s clear as day what is going on.

With Conor McGregor, the famous loyalist, leading the charge?

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 12:38

IPoopRainblows · Today 12:19

You have very strong views on NI and yet clearly know absolutely nothing about the place

The rioters in Belfast are Loyalist with the activity primarily occurring in loyalists areas, The social media campaign is very clear ‘ foreigners out of Belfast’ as they wave the Union Jack. It’s clear as day what is going on.

The rioters last night were both nationalists and loyalists. The love won’t last but last night they came together.

Zippedydoobaah · Today 12:53

What an embarrassment. Posters going around saying protests at 1, schools closing early, more posters and warning messages going around to warn the 1 o'clock protestors not to be protesting and to keep unity going. This is very much a show of dominance of certain sections, it's nothing to do with the horrendous crime that was committed and the comments below the photos of young children being escorted out of their homes into the back of a psni van is utterly sickening.

CandidOP · Today 13:12

Just looking at the (extensive) media coverage of this and the subsequent riots and one thing occurs to me. Who carries out the overwhelming majority of murders, rapes, violent affrays, domestic violence etc in this country - and indeed worldwide. Well blow me down - it's men, regardless of race, religion culture or anything else you care to think of. So where are the protests about each and every incidence of the above? Could it be that we realise that just because SOME men do these awful things that does not mean that ALL men will do them? Or perhaps does it mean we are so used to men's violence that we just give up and shrug our shoulders?

Walkyrie · Today 13:12

CandidOP · Today 13:12

Just looking at the (extensive) media coverage of this and the subsequent riots and one thing occurs to me. Who carries out the overwhelming majority of murders, rapes, violent affrays, domestic violence etc in this country - and indeed worldwide. Well blow me down - it's men, regardless of race, religion culture or anything else you care to think of. So where are the protests about each and every incidence of the above? Could it be that we realise that just because SOME men do these awful things that does not mean that ALL men will do them? Or perhaps does it mean we are so used to men's violence that we just give up and shrug our shoulders?

Do you think it’s even possible to protest every single crime ever? Sorry your reply is absolute balls and you know it

Pureclass · Today 13:32

Yesterday I said these protests would end in pointless violence and was told by certain posters that I had an agenda to stop people going out to protest.

No agenda at all.

In fact, if there was a way to safely come together to lend support to the man who had been hurt I would possibly do so.

I dont agree with the disgusting treatment of all people here with a non-white appearance. I dont agree that the men (mostly men and boys) dont protest- they riot and fuck up roads, steal cars, burn buildings, take up resources like police, fire brigade and hospitals.

Most people in NI know who these people are,know their agenda and know we do not want to be in anyway tainted by association.

Today my child's school closed at 11am due to fear of riots. They are currently trying to see if they can run a GCSE exam this afternoon.

Its very near where the incident happened. The was pastoral support on all day as so many children had witnessed scenes of violence last night.
Its also a multi cultural school and according to my DC a lot of children were not in today at all.

TooBigForMyBoots · Today 13:34

cardibach · Today 12:03

Yes. Because MOST stories doesn’t make the national press isn’t the same as ALL stories are ignored by the national press. This is so clear I’m sure you are pretending not to understand.

Fact resistant people gonna resist facts.🤷‍♀️