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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

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Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 23:36

Velumental · Yesterday 23:17

This thread complaining about 'lack of reporting' is literally BAYING for riots like this!

This IS the far right.

This IS the dreggs of society I referred to earlier when told 'northern Irish men are among the most respectful I've run into in all 27 countries I've lived in' or whatever.

I'm not saying all northern Irish men but I AM saying these men are there, all the time, waiting for a cause to rise up and champion as a excuse for their violence and God alone knows what else.

It's all tied up back home, violence, anti immigration propaganda, evangelical christians anti abortion propaganda, drug rackets, violence both physical and sexual against both women and children especially. This thread has gotten under my skin and I hope this explains why.

The op blowing the conspiracy theory horn, insisting this should all be widely reported and that the people should rise up and protest. And here we are. Riots by people with no idea why they are rioting except they get to go into areas they otherwise aren't welcome in and burn out cars, buses and homes. There'll be people burnt in their beds and the op will be still be banging her bin lid.

Anything to say about beheading attempts from the same culprits?

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 23:39

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 23:36

Anything to say about beheading attempts from the same culprits?

They’re not the same culprits. This mob is N Irish people declaring war on their fellow citizens.

LakieLady · Yesterday 23:40

Velumental · Yesterday 22:25

It's so so horrible. Noone on the supposed side of the northern Irish people against immigrants on this thread has any idea how quickly those tension turn to the existing divide and the knife edge that peace balances on back home.

They've no idea what goes on in the worst areas of the shankill and the falls and similar and those still living in it are still living with the 'what happens in the house stays in the house' mentality we're all raised with.

Honestly I despair of what the night will bring and any that's not reported for the right wing goons I'll bring news of back to this thread. Since they care so much, you know, about the people of northern ireland.

It's bloody horrific to see it on tv, I can't imagine what it's like to have this going on around where you live, @Velumental . I hope it pisses down with rain soon, people don't tend to riot when it's wet.

It's as though the clock has been turned back 40 years or so. I hope you all manage to stay safe.

Velumental · Yesterday 23:44

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 23:36

Anything to say about beheading attempts from the same culprits?

I can only assume you're unable to read, there are pages and pages about that. About the footage, the horror of it, the bravery of the local man with the hurl and his 2 pals, not to mention the woman videoing for evidence. It's horrific.

Dyou have any feelings on the other recent murders in northern ireland? Any thoughts on the murder of Chloe mitchell in ballymena? Dismembered and placed in several bins? Any thoughts on the likely sentencing of her murderer? Or what that means for the women of northern ireland?

Any feelings on the murder of paddy douglas, burnt in his home, dying as he tried to escape screaming for help, dying of his burns in hospital? Thoughts on his murder? Not gruesome enough for you? Or just not fussed because it was carried out by a northern Irish person?

Or Sarah Montgomery? Beaten to death 15 weeks pregnant by her partner form the ardoyne? Are you starting a riot on her behalf against violent homegrown men?

Velumental · Yesterday 23:47

LakieLady · Yesterday 23:40

It's bloody horrific to see it on tv, I can't imagine what it's like to have this going on around where you live, @Velumental . I hope it pisses down with rain soon, people don't tend to riot when it's wet.

It's as though the clock has been turned back 40 years or so. I hope you all manage to stay safe.

Thank God I'm not there, I'm in Scotland not that it's much better in Glasgow tonight if you want to check the news here. Same bigotry sleeping across as ever.

My family are there though, with kids to send to school in this climate, with friends at work afraid to go sleep on their own beds because they aren't white and afraid to go to be because they're Catholic and live near one of these godforsaken areas. Real people used once again as political pawns.

Op where are you? You'll surely be devastatingly concerned for the people fo northern Ireland now too? And condemning the men burning children out of their homes? Come on out. Tell us all about it

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 23:47

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 23:39

They’re not the same culprits. This mob is N Irish people declaring war on their fellow citizens.

Thanks Blossom. I will read more on it tomorrow.

Velumental · Yesterday 23:49

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 23:47

Thanks Blossom. I will read more on it tomorrow.

So hold on. You don't know a thing about it?

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 23:52

Velumental · Yesterday 23:49

So hold on. You don't know a thing about it?

Yes I do but I would like to absorb it more and revisit it in the morning..

Velumental · Yesterday 23:55

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 23:52

Yes I do but I would like to absorb it more and revisit it in the morning..

But you thought what exactly? You thought it was immigrants who were being targeted in the riots so that was ok? Is that what you meant?

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 23:57

Velumental · Yesterday 23:55

But you thought what exactly? You thought it was immigrants who were being targeted in the riots so that was ok? Is that what you meant?

Goodnight.

Walkyrie · Today 00:29

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 23:16

It really saddens me. N Ireland is so beautiful and Belfast is one of my favourite cities. The last few times I was there I really thought it had turned the corner. Tonight it feels as if it’s turned the clock back 30 years.

Why? There have been loads of riots there over the last 30 years. There were riots there the year before last, over pretty much the same thing. When they riot, they seem to really riot. Tonight is fairly similar to a bunch of other nights there of the last few years. Unless you don’t follow the news?

Velumental · Today 00:37

Walkyrie · Today 00:29

Why? There have been loads of riots there over the last 30 years. There were riots there the year before last, over pretty much the same thing. When they riot, they seem to really riot. Tonight is fairly similar to a bunch of other nights there of the last few years. Unless you don’t follow the news?

Ok

Do you know anything about the riots? Do you live in northern ireland? Have you ever? You know nothing of this situation otherwise.

These men are frustrated pamilitary men, men who have been in and out of prison for violent crime. The absolute dreggs of society. Rebels without a cause looking for any cause.

Jf you want to be more generous these are disenfranchised men of a system that's forgotten them.

It's nothing to do with immigrants, the but ing out of families is a long preaching tactic lately used against Catholic families who dare to live near protestant areas. The are where this happened is in the darkest deepest loyalist area of Belfast. Referred to as the loyalist ghettos. Violence, drugs and poverty abound.

It IE absolutely terrible that these people are being used as a political pawn because who suffers? They do, the wider community does.

'when THEY riot' fgs

Walkyrie · Today 00:39

Velumental · Today 00:37

Ok

Do you know anything about the riots? Do you live in northern ireland? Have you ever? You know nothing of this situation otherwise.

These men are frustrated pamilitary men, men who have been in and out of prison for violent crime. The absolute dreggs of society. Rebels without a cause looking for any cause.

Jf you want to be more generous these are disenfranchised men of a system that's forgotten them.

It's nothing to do with immigrants, the but ing out of families is a long preaching tactic lately used against Catholic families who dare to live near protestant areas. The are where this happened is in the darkest deepest loyalist area of Belfast. Referred to as the loyalist ghettos. Violence, drugs and poverty abound.

It IE absolutely terrible that these people are being used as a political pawn because who suffers? They do, the wider community does.

'when THEY riot' fgs

Calm down. I’m simply stating fact, that there have been multiple riots in the last few years alone. Demanding people elaborate on absolutely everything they write makes you look a bit mad.

Velumental · Today 00:45

Walkyrie · Today 00:39

Calm down. I’m simply stating fact, that there have been multiple riots in the last few years alone. Demanding people elaborate on absolutely everything they write makes you look a bit mad.

I'll be honest I feel a bit mad. 😂 I clearly need to go to bed. It's is infuriating though watching northern Ireland be used like this and knowing the people who really suffer will be the local ordinary people. And they will suffer. And I'm really scared what the new s will be in the morning.

Gloriia · Today 06:42

EasternStandard · Yesterday 22:09

No upset about the crime then? Anything on that?

Yep. So much hand wringing over protests and violence yet little about the actual victim here.

'Calm down. I’m simply stating fact, that there have been multiple riots in the last few years alone. Demanding people elaborate on absolutely everything they write makes you look a bit mad.'
Exactly. Belfast where organised crime gangs and gang warfare still run rampant. Won't they be 'protesting' about something else next month?!

At least for once they've actually got something worthy of protest. I hear Gerry Adams has condemned the violence. Seriously Gerry fucking Adams.

Walkyrie · Today 06:48

Gloriia · Today 06:42

Yep. So much hand wringing over protests and violence yet little about the actual victim here.

'Calm down. I’m simply stating fact, that there have been multiple riots in the last few years alone. Demanding people elaborate on absolutely everything they write makes you look a bit mad.'
Exactly. Belfast where organised crime gangs and gang warfare still run rampant. Won't they be 'protesting' about something else next month?!

At least for once they've actually got something worthy of protest. I hear Gerry Adams has condemned the violence. Seriously Gerry fucking Adams.

He’s definitely in a glass house when it comes to political violence 😬

There are tiers of ‘bad’ with murder and serious harm at the top. Right now the stream of victims in this debate under the umbrella of ‘asylum seeking perpetrators’ is far, far, far longer than people killed due to ‘far right nationalism’.

Property damage and rioting is a tier below this and yes very bad but the ultimate damage (killing people) is being overlooked in favour of this.

viking11 · Today 06:55

This was a horrific attack, sadly exploited by those who have an agenda against 'immigrants.' However the woman stabbed to death by her white British husband gets less publicity. Statistics wod support that woman are more likely to be hurt by the men in their life...That said if we had a proper admissions scheme we would be able to check people more.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 07:01

Gloriia · Today 06:42

Yep. So much hand wringing over protests and violence yet little about the actual victim here.

'Calm down. I’m simply stating fact, that there have been multiple riots in the last few years alone. Demanding people elaborate on absolutely everything they write makes you look a bit mad.'
Exactly. Belfast where organised crime gangs and gang warfare still run rampant. Won't they be 'protesting' about something else next month?!

At least for once they've actually got something worthy of protest. I hear Gerry Adams has condemned the violence. Seriously Gerry fucking Adams.

He's got some brass neck!

Velumental · Today 07:16

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers

These fellas were fond of a bit of throat slitting and dismembering back a few decades ago and it's their descendants out on the streets.

Yes people actually living in the place are horrified by the stoking of the political right wing bringing them back to this violence.

Plenty of talk here about this victim, plenty of horror at the act and hope that this man is punished to the full extent of the law (which is more than happened to the uvf terrorists hidden and backed by the government at the time)

I love this compassion for the northern Irish people 'theyll be protesting about something else in a couple of weeks' like that somehow means it's right? The terrorists in thai scenario are not the lone man brandishing a kitchen knife, not a machete, not a planned attack with a religious knife, a kitchen knife. Whatever the hell happened there hopefully we'll find out. Lessons will be learnt etc.

However the call is very much coming from inside the house and clearly you've no family to worry about in these areas for you to be happy for so many businesses, people, livelihoods etc to suffer. For people to be burnt out of their houses.
Are you capable of any empathy at all? Imagine going to bed tonight knowing men were out torching buildings who'd love to have a go at your street under cover of 1 Muslim family because they can burn out 6 Catholic families at the same time.

But sure they'll be back rioting about something else next week.

Your faux compassion for the victim when you wouldn't give 2 hoots if his whole family are burnt out onto the street tonight

Shankill Butchers - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers

Pepperlee · Today 07:19

MsJinks · Yesterday 22:22

Just in from a local counter protest - though the protest was called due to event in Belfast heard not one thing about it. Did hear stuff about ‘pedos’ and protecting women. So we read out names of women killed in U.K. - they shouted over it and dismissed it - finally penetrated this possibly wasn’t a good look. They went.

They were definitely not there about the terrible stabbing - just as they could shout and cause trouble. It isn’t concern it’s ignorance and violence they’re bothered about.

Why did you go just to read out names of murdered women? Killed by who ? Was Rhiannon White on your list?

Gloriia · Today 07:24

"I love this compassion for the northern Irish people 'theyll be protesting about something else in a couple of weeks' like that somehow means it's right? '

You're suggesting it's all lovely with group hugs and now this violence spoils it. Nope. Gang warfare still very much a thing as I'm sure you must know what with all your pals still living there.

That's not the point though. So they've had the 'Shankill butchers' what's another throat slitting? We sadly have enough crime as it is. We do not need to import it.

Gloriia · Today 07:27

Walkyrie · Today 06:48

He’s definitely in a glass house when it comes to political violence 😬

There are tiers of ‘bad’ with murder and serious harm at the top. Right now the stream of victims in this debate under the umbrella of ‘asylum seeking perpetrators’ is far, far, far longer than people killed due to ‘far right nationalism’.

Property damage and rioting is a tier below this and yes very bad but the ultimate damage (killing people) is being overlooked in favour of this.

You'd just stay quiet wouldn't you if you were him.

Velumental · Today 07:37

Gloriia · Today 07:24

"I love this compassion for the northern Irish people 'theyll be protesting about something else in a couple of weeks' like that somehow means it's right? '

You're suggesting it's all lovely with group hugs and now this violence spoils it. Nope. Gang warfare still very much a thing as I'm sure you must know what with all your pals still living there.

That's not the point though. So they've had the 'Shankill butchers' what's another throat slitting? We sadly have enough crime as it is. We do not need to import it.

Not my pals. My family. My brothers and sisters and nieces and nephews and aunts and uncles and I'm there several times a year too.

My point is everyone's all about this 1 victim they want to.use as a political pawn, ach the poor fella where's the care for this poor man and his injuries and his family.

Then those I jured at the hands of the loyalists mobs : well sure isn't northern Ireland a violent cesspit anyway. So which is it? Everyone in northern ireland walks around in fear anyway so what's the worry of 1 beheading?

Or northern Ireland is a lovely place apart from these migrants coming in and ruining everything?

You can't have both as it suits your racist political agenda

Velumental · Today 07:40

Pepperlee · Today 07:19

Why did you go just to read out names of murdered women? Killed by who ? Was Rhiannon White on your list?

Murdered women, murdered in northern Ireland in the past 3 years by homegrown violent mysogynistic men. Relevant for those in and from northern Ireland because the men in these hoardes run round giving it loud about 'protecting their women and children' while women and children are beaten, abused and killed at an alarming rate by the men born and bred in northern ireland itself. These men in these hoardes often have domestic violence and wider violence convictions. They are what women and children need protecting FROM

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 07:50

Velumental · Today 07:40

Murdered women, murdered in northern Ireland in the past 3 years by homegrown violent mysogynistic men. Relevant for those in and from northern Ireland because the men in these hoardes run round giving it loud about 'protecting their women and children' while women and children are beaten, abused and killed at an alarming rate by the men born and bred in northern ireland itself. These men in these hoardes often have domestic violence and wider violence convictions. They are what women and children need protecting FROM

Correct. Sadly these women stay with these men, some love them.
I don’t. I avoid those type of men, I would not marry one or be controlled. I can avoid that situation, but I can’t prevent a random attack. I cannot not avoid the person as I don’t know them.
Domestic abuse is awful. Random attacks, rape, stabbed by a stranger is increasingly common, both wrong so one doesn’t out excuse the other.
Is that what you’re doing?? Well it’s already violent after all.

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