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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

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Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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dreamreal · Yesterday 19:01

Anyone watching the news today will also see that there was a (fortunately non-fatal) stabbing within a school in Manchester today. If it turns out the perpetrators were asylum seekers, Reform will be all over it. If it turns out to be white kids, they'll have nothing to say. We all see this clearly.

The fact is, too many men are carrying knives. Too many men are borderline in terms of mental health - for all kinds of reasons. In terms of the U.K. population, the vast majority of dangerous men are born here, a few will be from elsewhere.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:02

cardibach · Yesterday 18:59

Your risk assessment is way off. It’s a tiny fraction of a tiny number. How many asylum seekers do you think there are? Every crime is awful and we should do everything we can to limit them and to punish those who still commit them - but to think you are only, or mostly, at risk from asylum seekers is a very, very bad misunderstanding of the numbers.

People here can’t be used as a proxy vetting system.

Someone should be stabbed in the eyes and head attempted to be decapitated to say yes ok that person shouldn’t be here.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:03

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 18:55

Yes I do believe that. Some come from highly misogynistic, violent countries where treating women like cattle, rape, executing gay people, or marrying children is the norm.

The victim here is male.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 19:04

cardibach · Yesterday 18:59

Your risk assessment is way off. It’s a tiny fraction of a tiny number. How many asylum seekers do you think there are? Every crime is awful and we should do everything we can to limit them and to punish those who still commit them - but to think you are only, or mostly, at risk from asylum seekers is a very, very bad misunderstanding of the numbers.

I didn't say I was 'only' at risk from asylum seekers. I don't care if the number is tiny, one is too many.
Other countries who are brave enough to check have shown that there is a higher risk of sexual assault from asylum seekers from certain countries per capita. We don't collate that information because we don't want the answer.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:05

Which countries?

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 19:05

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:03

The victim here is male.

And?
You might want to read the comment I was replying to.

Brunchatstephanies · Yesterday 19:10

dreamreal · Yesterday 18:35

@Brunchatstephanies Offences by asylum seekers are negligible though, in comparison to those perpetrated every day.

How many children are currently being sexually abused in their own homes? How many women are being groped - or worse - in pubs in every town every day of the week? How many women are raped or physically assaulted by their own partners, or men they date. I bet every woman on this forum has been a victim of sexual harassment, or worse. And the perpetrators were most probably not immigrants. Teen boys in the UK are way more addicted to porn than ever. What is this doing to their brains?

You don't become a murderer or a rapist because of 'culture.' That's ridiculous. If a man is capable of randomly murdering someone on the street, he is either mentally ill or very evil and it has nothing to do with his place of birth.

No 'vetting' is going to identify every murderer. If only it were that simple.

That is demonstrably untrue google murder statistics from around the world and have a look at where the figures are highest and lowest.

You are clearly an idealist and honestly that is not a bad thing but rape and murder is much higher in other cultures than in the west. You are just in denial about this because you could have easily tested this claim before you wrote it down but because you want that statement to be true you didn’t check your thinking.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 19:11

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:02

People here can’t be used as a proxy vetting system.

Someone should be stabbed in the eyes and head attempted to be decapitated to say yes ok that person shouldn’t be here.

How would you manage an asylum system?

EleanorTopaz · Yesterday 19:18

Stop minimising the horror of these terrible attacks by immigrant men.

dreamreal · Yesterday 19:22

"Other countries who are brave enough to check have shown that there is a higher risk of sexual assault from asylum seekers from certain countries per capita. We don't collate that information because we don't want the answer"

The vast majority of rapes, murders and child sexual abuse are from men known to you or your own family members.

The misfortune to be born under a particular regime like the Taliban is a totally different issue to innate predisposition to murder! How ridiculous to think you are more likely to be a murderer or rapist simply because you happen to have been born in Afghanistsn. Can people really not distinguish between government regimes and the actual people in a given country?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:22

dreamreal · Yesterday 19:22

"Other countries who are brave enough to check have shown that there is a higher risk of sexual assault from asylum seekers from certain countries per capita. We don't collate that information because we don't want the answer"

The vast majority of rapes, murders and child sexual abuse are from men known to you or your own family members.

The misfortune to be born under a particular regime like the Taliban is a totally different issue to innate predisposition to murder! How ridiculous to think you are more likely to be a murderer or rapist simply because you happen to have been born in Afghanistsn. Can people really not distinguish between government regimes and the actual people in a given country?

Enough already. The system is not working.

KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 19:23

cardibach · Yesterday 18:59

Your risk assessment is way off. It’s a tiny fraction of a tiny number. How many asylum seekers do you think there are? Every crime is awful and we should do everything we can to limit them and to punish those who still commit them - but to think you are only, or mostly, at risk from asylum seekers is a very, very bad misunderstanding of the numbers.

If it’s a tiny fraction of a tiny number why is it happening constantly?

Walkyrie · Yesterday 19:23

dreamreal · Yesterday 19:22

"Other countries who are brave enough to check have shown that there is a higher risk of sexual assault from asylum seekers from certain countries per capita. We don't collate that information because we don't want the answer"

The vast majority of rapes, murders and child sexual abuse are from men known to you or your own family members.

The misfortune to be born under a particular regime like the Taliban is a totally different issue to innate predisposition to murder! How ridiculous to think you are more likely to be a murderer or rapist simply because you happen to have been born in Afghanistsn. Can people really not distinguish between government regimes and the actual people in a given country?

So if Reform get in in 2028, you won’t be saying how terrifyingly right wing the men here are. You’ll be saying ‘poor them, the misfortune to exist under that government’?

dreamreal · Yesterday 19:25

It would indeed be a misfortune to be born under a Reform govt, yes.

Walkyrie · Yesterday 19:26

dreamreal · Yesterday 19:25

It would indeed be a misfortune to be born under a Reform govt, yes.

Doesn’t quite answer my question.

Do you believe Reform getting in would be a sign the public is right wing?

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 19:31

KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 18:35

Probably long past the time we should subject all illegal immigrants and asylum seekers to internment and just suck up the cost.

I think it would be a good idea until they can get some sort of information about the person seeking asylum. It’s one disaster after another.

dreamreal · Yesterday 19:31

I think Reform getting in will be a sign that too many people in the UK feel disenfranchised. When they feel left behind, they want something or someone to blame.

Reform will do nothing for the actual people voting Reform. This much is obvious. The country will be more divided than it is already.

Puppalicious · Yesterday 19:33

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:08

We didn't have the bare minimum. Every atrocity the IRA committed we had headlined in every paper. Granted we maybe werent privy to all the minor gang warfare crimes and drug dealing but the bigger picture, yes.

Other routine crimes tend to be kept to local reporting, that is normal.

A Somalian trying to behead someone isn't a bit of burglary. It should be national news. It is now. It wasn't initially.

You clearly weren’t kept abreast of the Troubles if you think the IRA were the only perpetrators. In fact, loyalist paramilitaries killed the most civilians. Ever heard of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers

There’s a lot of contenders for worst attack ever on a Belfast street.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 19:50

EasternStandard · Yesterday 19:22

Enough already. The system is not working.

How would you operate it?

dreamreal · Yesterday 19:53

What type of 'violent' is that review measuring though @smallglassbottle . I see Russia is first and Ukraine is ranked second. That's no doubt because of the war, not because normal people in those countries are somehow more predisposed to violence!

OneTealShaker · Yesterday 19:56

The silence is deafening.

Oh no, what’s that we can hear. Is it the sound of a cover up?

Alwaysontherun · Yesterday 19:56

Squirrel001 · Yesterday 09:03

Read the article and the watch the video. You would be forgiven for thinking they were describing a different incident.

I have just said exactly the same thing to my husband

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:59

OneTealShaker · Yesterday 19:56

The silence is deafening.

Oh no, what’s that we can hear. Is it the sound of a cover up?

What silence? The coverage of the N Ireland government’s response was wall to wall this morning.

JuliaBraverman · Yesterday 20:09

Puppalicious · Yesterday 19:33

You clearly weren’t kept abreast of the Troubles if you think the IRA were the only perpetrators. In fact, loyalist paramilitaries killed the most civilians. Ever heard of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers

There’s a lot of contenders for worst attack ever on a Belfast street.

This is in very bad taste … a competition for the worst violence?