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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

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Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 18:34

Brunchatstephanies · Yesterday 18:21

Everyone agrees with most of your points.

What people don’t agree with is bringing in lots of extra clearly troubled men from cultures that have zero respect for western liberal democracy values.

There have been lots of outrageous extra crimes committed by some of these men in the last few years that could not have been committed if they were not here. People have given “the system” chance after chance to address these issues but as Jimmy Carr put it if good people won’t police borders properly the bad people among us happily will.

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That’s very true.

KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 18:35

Probably long past the time we should subject all illegal immigrants and asylum seekers to internment and just suck up the cost.

dreamreal · Yesterday 18:35

@Brunchatstephanies Offences by asylum seekers are negligible though, in comparison to those perpetrated every day.

How many children are currently being sexually abused in their own homes? How many women are being groped - or worse - in pubs in every town every day of the week? How many women are raped or physically assaulted by their own partners, or men they date. I bet every woman on this forum has been a victim of sexual harassment, or worse. And the perpetrators were most probably not immigrants. Teen boys in the UK are way more addicted to porn than ever. What is this doing to their brains?

You don't become a murderer or a rapist because of 'culture.' That's ridiculous. If a man is capable of randomly murdering someone on the street, he is either mentally ill or very evil and it has nothing to do with his place of birth.

No 'vetting' is going to identify every murderer. If only it were that simple.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 18:36

Owlbookend · Yesterday 18:31

Nobody would disagree that we should consider how best to vet people entering the country.
However, violent disorder and demonising people from particular backgrounds helps nobody and is deeply damaging.
This is a horrific violent crime. It needs investigating and the offender prosecuted.

Ok so move the conversation on, how are men going to be vetted?

Owlbookend · Yesterday 18:40

EasternStandard · Yesterday 18:36

Ok so move the conversation on, how are men going to be vetted?

I am not an expert in entry procedures and how best to vet people. I cannot say how to do this best.

There are other aspects of my post that you do not address.

Fixydodah · Yesterday 18:42

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LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:44

Nice bit of selective edit from your original post. @Owlbookend

Theunamedcat · Yesterday 18:46

dreamreal · Yesterday 18:35

@Brunchatstephanies Offences by asylum seekers are negligible though, in comparison to those perpetrated every day.

How many children are currently being sexually abused in their own homes? How many women are being groped - or worse - in pubs in every town every day of the week? How many women are raped or physically assaulted by their own partners, or men they date. I bet every woman on this forum has been a victim of sexual harassment, or worse. And the perpetrators were most probably not immigrants. Teen boys in the UK are way more addicted to porn than ever. What is this doing to their brains?

You don't become a murderer or a rapist because of 'culture.' That's ridiculous. If a man is capable of randomly murdering someone on the street, he is either mentally ill or very evil and it has nothing to do with his place of birth.

No 'vetting' is going to identify every murderer. If only it were that simple.

Someone did the math and crimes are disproportionately high from asylum seekers compared to our own home grown offenders people are asking why we are importing offenders when we have plenty of our own to deal with

dreamreal · Yesterday 18:46

EasternStandard · Yesterday 18:36

Ok so move the conversation on, how are men going to be vetted?

You can go through people's internet history to see if they have any radical affiliations. You can interview men about their backgrounds or religious beliefs, etc. But realistically, police are not going be able to identify every sociopath or psychopath or seriously mentally ill person at the point of entry. Too much of the time, mental health services can't do this with people known to them.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:47

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Fatmanscoop · Yesterday 18:48

This news has upset me so much today. I’m terrified of what the future holds for my children in the UK

Im not sure about your AIBU as I don’t feel I’m hearing the same story from the bbc as what has been said on social media. BBC seem to be holding back ( wonder why)

As per usual I am seeing a lot of apologists and whataboutery for the behaviour of the man who committed this terrible and barbaric atrocity

When are you going to get your heads out of the sand, open your eyes and wake up? When your own children are brutally attacked?

this country is up shit creek, and I am not sure how it’s going to be fixed

Owlbookend · Yesterday 18:49

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:44

Nice bit of selective edit from your original post. @Owlbookend

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My whole post remains. I stand by it and the extract i quoted.
We are discussing a horrific crime.

My tone and posts reflect that.

dreamreal · Yesterday 18:50

Why do some of you believe that you are more likely to be murdered by an asylum seeker than any other man? It is patently not true.

Fatmanscoop · Yesterday 18:52

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Well said.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:52

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Owlbookend · Yesterday 18:52

People are not apologising for this crime. They are stating it is horrific and the offender should be prosecuted.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:53

dreamreal · Yesterday 18:50

Why do some of you believe that you are more likely to be murdered by an asylum seeker than any other man? It is patently not true.

Who has said that?

Everanewbie · Yesterday 18:53

dreamreal · Yesterday 18:50

Why do some of you believe that you are more likely to be murdered by an asylum seeker than any other man? It is patently not true.

Ffs. How many times. Per fucking capita

cardibach · Yesterday 18:54

Fatmanscoop · Yesterday 18:48

This news has upset me so much today. I’m terrified of what the future holds for my children in the UK

Im not sure about your AIBU as I don’t feel I’m hearing the same story from the bbc as what has been said on social media. BBC seem to be holding back ( wonder why)

As per usual I am seeing a lot of apologists and whataboutery for the behaviour of the man who committed this terrible and barbaric atrocity

When are you going to get your heads out of the sand, open your eyes and wake up? When your own children are brutally attacked?

this country is up shit creek, and I am not sure how it’s going to be fixed

You aren’t seeing any apologists or whataboutery related to the horrific crime.
The BBC aren’t ‘holding back’, they are just reporting what can be factually ascertained and what won’t prejudice a trial, rather than all the gossip you are seeing on social media.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 18:54

Owlbookend · Yesterday 18:52

People are not apologising for this crime. They are stating it is horrific and the offender should be prosecuted.

Whereas others are advocating for the kind of behaviour that actively harms the chances of successful prosecutions.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 18:54

dreamreal · Yesterday 18:50

Why do some of you believe that you are more likely to be murdered by an asylum seeker than any other man? It is patently not true.

I don’t think anyone should be beheaded attempted or otherwise or eyes gouged out on the street and politicians should move on from empty platitudes.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:55

Everanewbie · Yesterday 18:53

Ffs. How many times. Per fucking capita

I know know and they call the right wing thick.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 18:55

dreamreal · Yesterday 18:50

Why do some of you believe that you are more likely to be murdered by an asylum seeker than any other man? It is patently not true.

Yes I do believe that. Some come from highly misogynistic, violent countries where treating women like cattle, rape, executing gay people, or marrying children is the norm.

Dr13Hadley · Yesterday 18:57

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Spot on.

cardibach · Yesterday 18:59

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 18:55

Yes I do believe that. Some come from highly misogynistic, violent countries where treating women like cattle, rape, executing gay people, or marrying children is the norm.

Your risk assessment is way off. It’s a tiny fraction of a tiny number. How many asylum seekers do you think there are? Every crime is awful and we should do everything we can to limit them and to punish those who still commit them - but to think you are only, or mostly, at risk from asylum seekers is a very, very bad misunderstanding of the numbers.