AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

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Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

So it’s not worth much then, that database.

Oh so innocent until proven guilty and fair trials are outdated now?

No, of course not.

But the media should be able to publish what they know, when they know it. If the general public can, on social media, why are the media held to a different standard? People will make up their own mind anyway. Plus we have libel and slander laws.

How do you tighten checks if criminal records are not being kept in the country of origin? And did Priti Patel’s family seek asylum as you asserted?

If the media were allowed to report whatever they chose willy nilly we would no longer have fair trials or the presumption of innocence.

In the borough of Richmond-upon-Thames a few years ago, a 16 year-old boy was fatally stabbed leaving a college, in broad daylight after an exam. Witnessed by school children. In broad daylight, as I say. No, people on here won't
know about this tragedy because it didn't even make local news. He was an Afghan refugee. Here alone. Nobody to fight his cause. Stabbed by 4 white boys of the same age. To this day, I can't understand why this murder never made the news. But if it had, do we think for one minute Reform - or "Restore" or whatever they call themselves - would take to the streets chanting their usual guff?
No they would not. They are only interested in crime when the perpetrator happens to be non-white or an 'immigrant.' Anything else, not a peep out of them.

The fact is, there are too many dangerous men in this world. The problem is men, full stop - not this or that racial group or any particular culture. Most sexual abusers will be men known to you. Family members even. They walk among us - always have and always will - regardless of immigration policies. Mental illness and perversion have nothing to do with race or religion or nationality. This is so obvious, I don't even know why it would need explaining.

If those Reform marchers are really concerned about 'our women' they need to accept that they themselves - and those who walk with them - are by far the greatest threat. How many of them have assaulted a woman. The vast majority, I'm sure. You only have to look at them to know how they must treat their wives or women in general. If they haven't had stints in prison, they've almost certainly skirted very close to it.

Every murder is a desperate tragedy. I hate the way Reform are only ever interested if the perpetrator fits their cynical agendas.

You want to do ‘British values checks’ on people entering the Republic of Ireland? This man came from Dublin.

The most important thing is that the offender is prosecuted. The police asked in this case (and have asked in previous cases) that the footage of the crime was not circulated as it can negatively impact the investigation and eventual trial.
The case has been reported by the media. The case is being investigated by the police. There is no 'cover up'.
This is a horrific crime and we should do everything possible to support the police in their investigation not jeapordise it.

Don’t be disingenuous. Let’s say European then, how’s that?

Pretty sure any European country I’ve lived in or visited over the past several decades has a similarly visceral ‘no’ to to rape, misogyny, beheading, suicide bombing, stabbing.

Do say if you can thinking of one that welcomes such behaviour.

Sadly rape, mysogny, terrorism and stabbings occur across cultures. Crimes are commited by people of all ethnicities. Every violent crime is horrific. Every victim should be supported. Every offender needs to be prosecuted and punished.
I have friends and colleagues from a variety of immigrant backgrounds. They abhor violent crime like I do. As a society we need to address violent crimes not demonise groups of people.

"Pretty sure any European country I’ve lived in or visited over the past several decades has a similarly visceral ‘no’ to to rape, misogyny, beheading, suicide bombing, stabbing."

And what countries, in your mind, have men who are all 'pro' any of this?

How about assessing a system that allows it.

The perpetrator came from the Republic of Ireland. They will choose whether to assess their systems.

No system allows violent crime.
Violent criminals should be investigated arrested and prosecuted. This is a terrible crime that needs to prosecuted.

He’s from Sudan and the crime happened in Belfast via Ireland.

I haven’t heard any politicians say much more than they usually do, which is it’s appalling

The asylum system does allow entry of a man who is not vetted.

Everyone agrees with most of your points.

What people don’t agree with is bringing in lots of extra clearly troubled men from cultures that have zero respect for western liberal democracy values.

There have been lots of outrageous extra crimes committed by some of these men in the last few years that could not have been committed if they were not here. People have given “the system” chance after chance to address these issues but as Jimmy Carr put it if good people won’t police borders properly the bad people among us happily will.

Do you understand what you are suggesting? Let's get rid of the journalists code of practice which we rely on to ensure our journalists follow a framework of ethical and professional standards so the public receives accurate, unbiased, and responsible information and replace it with social media rubbish from anyone with a camera and a smart phone? No thanks. I'm able to wait a few hours for proper verification on the news I receive.

The BBC are covering it intensively. Everyone is on tenterhooks and scared of causing another riot.

I too have immigrants in my history and social circles.

Those of us who’ve left this shit behind understand the difference between a civilisation that producers outliers who do this (although really? A Welsh beheader? Behave) and cultures that embody, promote and believe in these behaviours as perfectly justified ways of advancing their beliefs globally.

And if you’re perfectly honest, I imagine you do too.

Oh I’m sure you could do some independent research. You might surprise yourself.

Nobody would disagree that we should consider how best to vet people entering the country.
However, violent disorder and demonising people from particular backgrounds helps nobody and is deeply damaging.
This is a horrific violent crime. It needs investigating and the offender prosecuted.

Excuses excuses

Does anyone know if the media have reported how the man is doing? I've read multiple things, that he is in a coma, blinded etc. I can't stop thinking about just how awful it is. Poor, poor man.

I write :
Every violent crime is horrific. Every victim should be supported. Every offender needs to be prosecuted and punished.
You write:
Excuses excuses