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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

691 replies

Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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TooBigForMyBoots · Yesterday 15:09

YABVU @Squirrel001. It's all over the news, TV and online.

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · Yesterday 15:10

Velumental · Yesterday 12:08

Probably whatever happened to them in the ear torn country they fled.

@Velumental , well if that is how people respond to finding a place of safety then they are not safe to be free on our streets. The safety of our citizens should always be paramount.

pavillion1 · Yesterday 15:12

FlyingApple · Yesterday 15:08

You're assuming they didn't foresee the consequences.

Ah yes that actually explains a lot . They really do want to watch the demise of the UK

MsJinks · Yesterday 15:12

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:08

@MrsJinks?

I can’t - maybe as they were integrated better?!

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 15:12

HPFA · Yesterday 14:50

Well Farage is happy to pose alongside Andrew Tate and his ilk so he's hardly going to do much to prevent rape is he?

Snap shots of Reform's activity are always used without application of nuance. What should we conclude about Starmer taking the knee? Should we look at it in the wider social context or not?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:15

MsJinks · Yesterday 15:08

Nothing and that was dreadful and abhorrent. There are very bad people from all sectors. You cannot stop this.

I know you will now say well they shouldn’t be here - and that would stop that one - but that is just an idea we form to make us feel safer in many ways.

But what is your idea then?
Deport all small boat arrivals?
Deport all refugees with status?
Remigrate everyone without an ancestry check going back 15 generations?
Do some nebulous ‘British values’ check?

There’s so many different views on what is ok not many would be happy. There are so many different laws and difficulties around any of the above they can’t happen anyhow.

So for me violence against hotels, rioting, it’s just not solving anything but will make it worse instead - use your vote, pressure your local MP, get active but don’t get violent.

Tbf Australians are pretty happy with their laws. No one would vote for deaths at sea again.

Ik you’d like an international system where everyone who needs to be is placed elsewhere but there’s no way we can have even more of these crimes.

Politicians are meant to prioritise safety of citizens, not the opposite.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 15:17

MsJinks · Yesterday 15:12

I can’t - maybe as they were integrated better?!

And they were women and children who were vetted.

Perhaps the same limited and capped arrangement for women and children who are vetted would almost be ok (the public are probably getting fed up) but currently we focus on a system for non vetted men.

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · Yesterday 15:18

TooBigForMyBoots · Yesterday 15:09

YABVU @Squirrel001. It's all over the news, TV and online.

You are half a day late with this, my love.

WhatATravesty · Yesterday 15:19

MsJinks · Yesterday 15:02

Charities do yes - but they are limited in area and funding - plus in Reform led councils some refugee charities are having fundraising events limited.

The Syrian resettlement programme was government funded - that’s what is needed. They could put it into hotels more or less as a condition. They last hotel I visited, work, albeit a couple of years back now, had one event 2 weeks hence available, run by a local group.

I agree with you in that asylum hotels contracts are only beneficial to the proprietors who are making literally millions in profits, and offer very little in return. But integration has to cut both ways - if refugees don't want to, no one can make them. I've seen it in my own line of work too, if people can be absorbed into pre-existing communities where English isn't the default language and you can get by without having to learn it/ British culture, then I'm not sure what else can be done. Ultimately, you can't force people.

AguNwaanyi · Yesterday 15:38

Ablondiebutagoody · Yesterday 11:31

Because its bollocks. Not allowed to protest because people will call you a paramilitary thug. Makes a change from far right I guess. All sorts of people will be protesting.

You can't protest because you will be called names? People like you are so fucking pathetic. You have these delusions that the left are allowed to do whatever they want, when really more folk on this political spectrum just have an actual backbone to stand for what they believe in, risking police violence and even their jobs at times. And we have been called everything but a child of god but media, politicians and the like.

connect6 · Yesterday 15:41

Hmm, I saw an article about this early this morning but it was a bit odd & disjointed.

Everanewbie · Yesterday 15:42

AguNwaanyi · Yesterday 15:38

You can't protest because you will be called names? People like you are so fucking pathetic. You have these delusions that the left are allowed to do whatever they want, when really more folk on this political spectrum just have an actual backbone to stand for what they believe in, risking police violence and even their jobs at times. And we have been called everything but a child of god but media, politicians and the like.

I am very much of the opinion that immigration has gotten out of control and that it has brought a lot of ills and problems to our society. But I am uncomfortable with these 'protests' that spring up on the day news like this breaks. I just don't see what throwing bins at police achieves but tar any opposition to immigration and multiculturalism with the same brush.

Ablondiebutagoody · Yesterday 15:56

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:52

Reinstate funding for ESOL.

Don’t allow protests outside hotels when it should be their day to go and play footie with the local teams.

Don’t allow protests outside hotels full stop - it’s the government’s policy/practice not theirs.

Don’t just hope local charities pick up the slack of teaching ESOL, talking to folk, having group events, paying for local trips.

Lots of ways to try really.

Will ESOL and banning protests prevent one of them raping me or trying to cut off my son's head?

MsJinks · Yesterday 15:57

Ablondiebutagoody · Yesterday 15:56

Will ESOL and banning protests prevent one of them raping me or trying to cut off my son's head?

Could well do …

Sharptonguedwoman · Yesterday 15:59

Smartiepants79 · Yesterday 08:59

Well the bbc have it as a news story. Seems to be a stabbing of just one person with no deaths as yet? Horrific as that is, sadly, I don’t think it counts as ‘one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a uk street.
Press and police are possibly also keeping many details unsaid right now until it becomes clearer what has happened and why. Rumours are never helpful.

Head it on the 1pm news on the BBC. Does sound absolutely awful.

Ablondiebutagoody · Yesterday 15:59

MsJinks · Yesterday 15:57

Could well do …

Would this approach work with other crimes and perpetrators too?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 16:00

MsJinks · Yesterday 15:57

Could well do …

@MsJinks
if you are sure re ESOL and integration would you risk it with this perpetrator? If you had offered a room would you feel safe enough

cardibach · Yesterday 16:06

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 14:28

Yet always with the caveats to those "it's horrific" posts.

No caveats about the attacks. Just about the way they are used to whip up further violence like that’s the answer.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 16:06

MsJinks · Yesterday 15:57

Could well do …

Seriously?
I don't buy your argument that some of these men are attacking people because they are treated badly in the UK. Having protesters outside a hotel does not encourage them to start raping and murdering people.

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 16:07

cardibach · Yesterday 16:06

No caveats about the attacks. Just about the way they are used to whip up further violence like that’s the answer.

Its the attackers attacking people that whips up violence.

cardibach · Yesterday 16:07

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 14:27

It wasn’t one.
Just last week in Dublin, Alex coughlan a gay man was set up to meet a date. Two Iranian boys catfished him, beat him to a pulp, he died 4 days later in hospital.
The previous two men beheaded also gay are from county Sligo, the 3rd victim in Sligo was left badly scarred when the attacker attempted to kill him too.

Being overly literal about ‘one’ doesn’t really help the argument.

Figgygal · Yesterday 16:11

Horrible violent crimes happen every day in this country I don't see them leading the national news within hours (if at all) particularly where it's just happened and there's a live police investigation which should be the priority.

Why have people become so demanding of immediate coverage and narrative across selective crimes?

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 16:11

cardibach · Yesterday 16:07

Being overly literal about ‘one’ doesn’t really help the argument.

Neither does making excuses for the ever occurring incidents, the incidents not barbarous enough to make into the newspaper but vile all the same.

cardibach · Yesterday 16:14

Nuthatch26 · Yesterday 16:07

Its the attackers attacking people that whips up violence.

And yet white attackers attacking people doesn’t. Odd that.

MsJinks · Yesterday 16:14

Ablondiebutagoody · Yesterday 15:59

Would this approach work with other crimes and perpetrators too?

Well good rehab can work well - it’s a focus for the Baltic countries - but that’s obviously post event.

However, I also do think good education around sex, boundaries, etc etc may help get young people on the right track.

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