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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

787 replies

Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 13:46

I'm saying there has no been underreporting of this case because the perpetrator is somalian. I'm saying the only reason it's made it to UK media is because he's somalian. I'm giving examples of brutal murders not reported in the UK to point out it's more unusual this one WAS reported.
I disagree that the only reason it's made it to UK media is because he's somalian, had he not been recorded, went viral, it wouldn’t be reported as graphic as it is. I know street beheading happened in the UK and France but it’s a first for Ireland on the street. Mainstream media said stab wounds, without the video evidence it would have been left at that.
We did have two gay men beheaded by an Islamic extremist but it wasn’t on the street, he arranged to meet them on a dating app before murdering them. A sleeper, found with 300,000 under his pillow when arrested, never had a job, he was only caught because the 3rd man he met fought back.
Our culture isn’t compatible.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Yesterday 13:47

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 13:46

🥱 in the absence of debate, call posters Reform bots. Is this your raison d'etre for posting because it's not the first time you've posted this predictable stuff.

No. HTH. But if there is a lot of repetitive Reform spreading hatred and division shite about, expect people to pick you up on it.

Velumental · Yesterday 13:47

Gloriia · Yesterday 13:44

'The attack is horrible, the damage done is horrible, it's chilling and terrifying but it's also not being under reported'

<sighs>

Not now. Initially when this thread was started it was hardly mentioned on the news.

Which I've explained, the delay is very very normal for a violent assault in northern ireland. Hence all my examples, many violent assaults and brutal murders don't make UK news at all.

This took a few hours to make it's way to UK BBC news, that's entirely ordinary

MsJinks · Yesterday 13:48

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 13:36

Yeah OP, don't you dare think you can talk about out of control immigration. The lefties are having none of it.

Well - it’s difficult to keep up - this morning I think someone said to remove all visas from Somalis (on one of these multiple threads anyhow) - and now probably we’d have to change that to Sudanese?

Or is it just no asylum seekers? But what about refugees with status here already?

And then again there’s settled people who came as non refugees - are maybe 3rd or more generation born in the U.K. What about those?

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 13:48

Nanda66 · Yesterday 13:23

I grew up in a working class family in Belfast in the 80s. I don’t recognise this at all.

DH too, his father adores his mother. He’d never hit her.

Walkyrie · Yesterday 13:50

The fact the perpetrator was an immigrant is highly relevant and makes it more controversial than if he wasn’t.

Because he didn’t have to be here, this didn’t have to happen. In the same way we feel more outrage when somebody commits a murder when on bail, or when the mental health authorities and police let somebody slip through the net - it’s all part of a chain of incompetence whereby British (or in this case Irish) people are put at unnecessary risk above and beyond the ‘baseline’ risk of living in a society where there will always be a few psychopaths.

A careful, tight asylum and immigration policy may well have meant this man would never have been entitled to stay in Ireland and commit such an appalling crime. But instead, sloppiness, a prioritising of the ‘human rights’ of others, and a ‘be kind’ narrative now mean we have an excess of brutal murders and rapes that did not have to happen.

We can’t even say that it’s a price worth paying for immigration to prop up our economy and health service as 7 million immigrants in the last 20 years have not been enough to improve either of them. It hasn’t worked.

Nobody consented to these people being allowed to join our society, so yes I absolutely expect fury.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 13:51

DeftGoldHedgehog · Yesterday 13:44

AIBU to question the number of Reform bots starting threads on Mumsnet just now?

Yes that’s the reason for this thread. 🙄

Velumental · Yesterday 13:56

Walkyrie · Yesterday 13:50

The fact the perpetrator was an immigrant is highly relevant and makes it more controversial than if he wasn’t.

Because he didn’t have to be here, this didn’t have to happen. In the same way we feel more outrage when somebody commits a murder when on bail, or when the mental health authorities and police let somebody slip through the net - it’s all part of a chain of incompetence whereby British (or in this case Irish) people are put at unnecessary risk above and beyond the ‘baseline’ risk of living in a society where there will always be a few psychopaths.

A careful, tight asylum and immigration policy may well have meant this man would never have been entitled to stay in Ireland and commit such an appalling crime. But instead, sloppiness, a prioritising of the ‘human rights’ of others, and a ‘be kind’ narrative now mean we have an excess of brutal murders and rapes that did not have to happen.

We can’t even say that it’s a price worth paying for immigration to prop up our economy and health service as 7 million immigrants in the last 20 years have not been enough to improve either of them. It hasn’t worked.

Nobody consented to these people being allowed to join our society, so yes I absolutely expect fury.

So say what you fear comes to pass. The UK is taken over by a covert Islamic government and we're all living under sharia law. Do you want to stay or do you want the right to seek asylum elsewhere? Or say in the middle of the night russia attack and send in troops murdering and raping like they did in Ukraine? You want to have a route for escape or you should stay here with no options for you or your children because you were born here not there?

cardibach · Yesterday 13:57

Walkyrie · Yesterday 12:29

If you had to wake up alone in either of these two countries tomorrow; which would you pick? And why?

  1. England
  2. Afghanistan
Edited

I think you may have missed the point of seeking asylum…

justteanbiscuits · Yesterday 13:59

Did social media tell you that "main stream media were being silent"? Awww, love you blindly believe things on X.

InterestedDad37 · Yesterday 14:00

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · Yesterday 13:09

Early this morning you had to open the NI page on the BBC to see it.

I noticed it climb the ranks during the morning and now it is everywhere.

Perhaps they would have liked to underplay it but social media has ensured that they can't.

😂😂😂
Why does everyone immediately look for a bloody conspiracy theory 😂😂😂
Fact-checking etc takes time. Appeared on NI sites earliest as that's where it happened.

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:00

cardibach · Yesterday 13:57

I think you may have missed the point of seeking asylum…

My question wasn’t about seeking asylum.

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 14:01

a prioritising of the ‘human rights’ of others,

The point of Human Rights is that EVERYBODY has them, you don't get to pick and choose.

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:01

Velumental · Yesterday 13:56

So say what you fear comes to pass. The UK is taken over by a covert Islamic government and we're all living under sharia law. Do you want to stay or do you want the right to seek asylum elsewhere? Or say in the middle of the night russia attack and send in troops murdering and raping like they did in Ukraine? You want to have a route for escape or you should stay here with no options for you or your children because you were born here not there?

Or we could, I dunno, not let vast swathes of the world be ruled over by despots in the first place?

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:01

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 14:01

a prioritising of the ‘human rights’ of others,

The point of Human Rights is that EVERYBODY has them, you don't get to pick and choose.

What about this victim’s human rights?

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:02

Walkyrie · Yesterday 13:50

The fact the perpetrator was an immigrant is highly relevant and makes it more controversial than if he wasn’t.

Because he didn’t have to be here, this didn’t have to happen. In the same way we feel more outrage when somebody commits a murder when on bail, or when the mental health authorities and police let somebody slip through the net - it’s all part of a chain of incompetence whereby British (or in this case Irish) people are put at unnecessary risk above and beyond the ‘baseline’ risk of living in a society where there will always be a few psychopaths.

A careful, tight asylum and immigration policy may well have meant this man would never have been entitled to stay in Ireland and commit such an appalling crime. But instead, sloppiness, a prioritising of the ‘human rights’ of others, and a ‘be kind’ narrative now mean we have an excess of brutal murders and rapes that did not have to happen.

We can’t even say that it’s a price worth paying for immigration to prop up our economy and health service as 7 million immigrants in the last 20 years have not been enough to improve either of them. It hasn’t worked.

Nobody consented to these people being allowed to join our society, so yes I absolutely expect fury.

It’s not clear why this man was here yet - I’ve heard 5 year visa and that’s actually a multi entry visitor one. Which is very different to one that may lead towards settlement There may be an error in reporting though. No one much worries about immigration facts.

I can’t imagine how the NHS and adult care would even be staggering on without immigration - that’s not the argument you think it is.

I understand your point re mightn’t have been here - there’s always though something to consider to make the potential of further horrific scenarios go away in our head - a form of trying to reason a place where it couldn’t happen to make ourselves feel safe - it’s a known response - it’s not that useful though.

HPFA · Yesterday 14:02

So every time we have an attack by an immigrant (or someone whose parents were immigrant) it's a reason for not having any more immigration?

Is that going to extend to tourists?

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:04

HPFA · Yesterday 14:02

So every time we have an attack by an immigrant (or someone whose parents were immigrant) it's a reason for not having any more immigration?

Is that going to extend to tourists?

Tourists aren’t immigrants.

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 14:04

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:01

What about this victim’s human rights?

He was attacked by a man. His rights were not removed or ignored by the government, which is what you want to happen for some people.

MsJinks · Yesterday 14:05

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:04

Tourists aren’t immigrants.

I heard 5 year visa mentioned - that’s a visitor one. Of course it may be being misreported, as I said earlier.

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:05

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 14:04

He was attacked by a man. His rights were not removed or ignored by the government, which is what you want to happen for some people.

One lead to the other.

SnipSnipMrBurgess · Yesterday 14:07

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 12:41

Knife crime has increased by 600% in some hospitals in Ireland.
I saw the video. Shocking.

Yeah I would like to see your stats on this one.

cardibach · Yesterday 14:16

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 13:46

I'm saying there has no been underreporting of this case because the perpetrator is somalian. I'm saying the only reason it's made it to UK media is because he's somalian. I'm giving examples of brutal murders not reported in the UK to point out it's more unusual this one WAS reported.
I disagree that the only reason it's made it to UK media is because he's somalian, had he not been recorded, went viral, it wouldn’t be reported as graphic as it is. I know street beheading happened in the UK and France but it’s a first for Ireland on the street. Mainstream media said stab wounds, without the video evidence it would have been left at that.
We did have two gay men beheaded by an Islamic extremist but it wasn’t on the street, he arranged to meet them on a dating app before murdering them. A sleeper, found with 300,000 under his pillow when arrested, never had a job, he was only caught because the 3rd man he met fought back.
Our culture isn’t compatible.

Edited

You think one violent murderer says anything about wider culture? Were the Krays ‘compatible with our culture’? Sutcliffe? All cultures have violent, disturbed people.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 14:18

DeftGoldHedgehog · Yesterday 13:44

AIBU to question the number of Reform bots starting threads on Mumsnet just now?

AIBU to question the number of leftists who constantly defend these types of attacks?

cardibach · Yesterday 14:19

Walkyrie · Yesterday 14:00

My question wasn’t about seeking asylum.

You have definitely missed the point.
The reason we have asylum seekers is because there are places people would prefer not to live due to various threats to their lives. The ones who leave are the ones most damaged by the culture that makes those threats possible.