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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

807 replies

Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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Velumental · Yesterday 13:24

Nanda66 · Yesterday 13:23

I grew up in a working class family in Belfast in the 80s. I don’t recognise this at all.

I'm glad for you.

Maggispice · Yesterday 13:24

HRTQueen · Yesterday 13:13

People supported highlighting police brutality

He was arrested and was a victim of police brutality that led to his death because he was a black man

The police are not and should not be vitalities, which in this case is totally irrelevant

His race had nothing to do with the policeman's actions.
The technique is an approved restraining technique. The fact is people like GF and their supporters are prone to violence and disorder which the left wing MSM make money from so the facts were obscured to push an agenda.
Tony Timpa was killed in the same circumstances and there was no protest, criminal damage or extortion by greviance peddlers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tony_Timpa

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 13:26

Zippedydoobaah · Yesterday 12:02

The bigots in the comments of every headline involving a foreign national always write "you'll not hear his nationality mentioned" despite the fact it is usually in the first line. Low IQ, low literacy, highly bigoted and no job so lots of time to spend writing mistruths online.

Edited

Do they have teeth though? And are/are not drunk?

Maggispice · Yesterday 13:26

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · Yesterday 13:09

Early this morning you had to open the NI page on the BBC to see it.

I noticed it climb the ranks during the morning and now it is everywhere.

Perhaps they would have liked to underplay it but social media has ensured that they can't.

Absolutely!

Velumental · Yesterday 13:27

Maggispice · Yesterday 13:24

His race had nothing to do with the policeman's actions.
The technique is an approved restraining technique. The fact is people like GF and their supporters are prone to violence and disorder which the left wing MSM make money from so the facts were obscured to push an agenda.
Tony Timpa was killed in the same circumstances and there was no protest, criminal damage or extortion by greviance peddlers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tony_Timpa

And that absolutely should also be reported and protested and is another example of police brutality this time against someone with a mental health disability.

NotAverage · Yesterday 13:27

Why do people think it is their right to know every fact immediately? Let the families know. I am fine to wait a few hours until the facts emerge. I would rather have the news from somewhere vaguely reputable than from idiots on MN and Twitter making assumptions.

The desperate people at the start of this thread said that a ‘Somali’ man had ‘murdered’ a ‘teenager’. All wrong. Ffs.

2dogsandabudgie · Yesterday 13:27

Velumental · Yesterday 12:59

Is a woman 15 weeks pregnant being beaten to death by her partner and it covered up run of the mill nowadays?

A 23 yr old woman murdered in her home and dismembered in a bin in 2023, is that run of the mill?

A 21 year old man forced into a wheelie bin and it set alight. Not brutal?

A man burnt alive in his home trying desparately to break windows to escape while neighbours try to help only to watch him die as his murderer heads off to the next town on a bus?

These crimes aren't brutal enough to report in the UK media? But this one is.

Of course those murders are horrific but the perpetrators would be known to the victims.

I think what is awful about the latest attack is it's a random, horrific attack on a member of the public.

Maggispice · Yesterday 13:27

DaveTheGull · Yesterday 13:10

It's not just Belfast. We had this charming refugee walking around stabbing people with massive blades recently in Edinburgh, barely made the news despite schools in the area locking down and a 7 hour stand off with police. Charged with attempted murder.
From Chad I believe. Told the courts he was 23, looked about 40.
I find most incidents outside England don't really make national news.

https://news.sky.com/video/man-carrying-knives-in-edinburgh-incident-13514251

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89kk0841pwo

It's deplorable.

Bringyourfoldingchair · Yesterday 13:29

Nanda66 · Yesterday 13:23

I grew up in a working class family in Belfast in the 80s. I don’t recognise this at all.

I’m NI born and bred and this also wasn’t/isn’t the norm I recognise.

Velumental · Yesterday 13:29

2dogsandabudgie · Yesterday 13:27

Of course those murders are horrific but the perpetrators would be known to the victims.

I think what is awful about the latest attack is it's a random, horrific attack on a member of the public.

Do you know they didn't know each other?

Velumental · Yesterday 13:32

Bringyourfoldingchair · Yesterday 13:29

I’m NI born and bred and this also wasn’t/isn’t the norm I recognise.

Maybe because I'm a culchie. Or because working class is a stretch and we grew up on benefits in a brutally poor area with serious secterian divides. Who knows.

ColdAsAWitches · Yesterday 13:35

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · Yesterday 13:09

Early this morning you had to open the NI page on the BBC to see it.

I noticed it climb the ranks during the morning and now it is everywhere.

Perhaps they would have liked to underplay it but social media has ensured that they can't.

Ridiculous. They can't win in your eyes.

Don't report it - they're keeping it secret.
Report it - they're only reporting because we made them!

2dogsandabudgie · Yesterday 13:36

Velumental · Yesterday 13:29

Do you know they didn't know each other?

I would be very surprised if they did.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 13:36

Hobnobswantshernameback · Yesterday 08:59

Another goady thread on this one
now there's a surprise

Yeah OP, don't you dare think you can talk about out of control immigration. The lefties are having none of it.

Velumental · Yesterday 13:42

2dogsandabudgie · Yesterday 13:36

I would be very surprised if they did.

Why is that? What if it came out that the victim did something terrible to the perpetrator (I've watched the video I also think it's unlikely, it's chilling, don't watch it I wish I hadn't) the guy looks incredibly chillingly calm not like someone addressing a vendetta.

The attack is horrible, the damage done is horrible, it's chilling and terrifying but it's also not being under reported. That's my entire beef with the premise of this thread. It's based on a cover up that isn't happening and a delay in deciding if a northern Irish assault is newsworthy for the rest of the UK is normal.

Gloriia · Yesterday 13:42

Velumental · Yesterday 13:32

Maybe because I'm a culchie. Or because working class is a stretch and we grew up on benefits in a brutally poor area with serious secterian divides. Who knows.

So a class issue, not a NI/ cultural issue? You do get more dv in areas of poverty whether you're in Birmingham or Belfast this is not new information.

No idea why you keep trying to persuade us that everyone in NI is a violent nutter so why on earth are we focusing on this one bloke gouging eyes out and trying to behead.

cardibach · Yesterday 13:42

Walkyrie · Yesterday 10:39

The problem is everyone that rushes in to make excuses ends up looking invariably foolish when the facts are, broadly speaking, in line with the speculation. When it come to video footage there’s only so much room for error. I too would prefer disclosure of only confirmed facts but social media doesn’t work that way.

And when they aren’t?
Many violent and sexual crimes are committed by white British men. Yes, this one, and others used to wind up communities to riot (how does that help?) is an immigrant. These are publicised so it seems like all crimes are committed by immigrants. They aren’t. But when it’s not - like the train stabbing for example - it all goes quiet and you move on to the next thing to get outraged about. On threads abput that attack everyone was saying it would be a refugee. It wasn’t.

Gloriia · Yesterday 13:44

'The attack is horrible, the damage done is horrible, it's chilling and terrifying but it's also not being under reported'

<sighs>

Not now. Initially when this thread was started it was hardly mentioned on the news.

cardibach · Yesterday 13:44

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 11:41

The poster that I was answering indicated that they would prefer things to be kept quiet. We do now live in both a surveillance and social media society and videos, CCTV and photos do record significant events. It is a very sad and shocking video and I feel very bad that this is out there for the victim's sake. It is a true record of events though, which will help the police (who we know can try to obfuscate things) and people have a right to know what's going on in their community (twas ever thus).

No she didn’t say she wanted it kept quiet! She said she didn’t think endless threads speculating every time were helpful. That’s not the same as keeping it quiet ffs.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Yesterday 13:44

AIBU to question the number of Reform bots starting threads on Mumsnet just now?

Velumental · Yesterday 13:44

Gloriia · Yesterday 13:42

So a class issue, not a NI/ cultural issue? You do get more dv in areas of poverty whether you're in Birmingham or Belfast this is not new information.

No idea why you keep trying to persuade us that everyone in NI is a violent nutter so why on earth are we focusing on this one bloke gouging eyes out and trying to behead.

It absolutely isn't that.

It's that I've witnessed terrible things in northern ireland that never made it to mainstream media.

The men protesting for 'are women' on the streets of Belfast often have domestic abuse convictions.

The point of mentioning the violent crimes is to point out that these are awful crimes not reported uk wide at all. So a 8-12 hour delay overnight in picking up a violent attempted murder story isn't some big conspiracy.

The only reason the assault IS being reported is because it involves a presumed immigrant.
.do you see my point at all. Many bad things are done by many bad people in northern ireland the bbc gives no s**ts. This they DO care about. That's my entire point.

cardibach · Yesterday 13:45

Omega3fishoil · Yesterday 11:43

The BBC are state owned so they will be pushed in what they are allowed to post. Can’t have the government looking bad can we

Rest in peace that girl, this country is a shambles

If you think the BbC report sympathetically on the current government then I don’t know what to say…

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 13:46

DeftGoldHedgehog · Yesterday 13:44

AIBU to question the number of Reform bots starting threads on Mumsnet just now?

🥱 in the absence of debate, call posters Reform bots. Is this your raison d'etre for posting because it's not the first time you've posted this predictable stuff.

hnwis · Yesterday 13:46

Because perpetrator arrested & media can’t report fully due to legal proceedings

Piglet89 · Yesterday 13:46

LaliqueSaltGrinder · Yesterday 09:24

The attacker isn’t English

Or even Northern Irish, given it happened in Belfast...

Seriously, the media has to be responsible. They cannot just report videos being circulated as fact. They have to confirm details with police before broadcasting to the nation. And this only happened less than 12 hours ago, the police will still be in the middle of the initial investigation.

Had it happened in North Down it’d be MORE likely the victim was English TBH.