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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

770 replies

Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:18

HRTQueen · Yesterday 11:52

only by stupid people like yourself op

It was on BBC news early this morning and its headline news still

Its an attempted murder this is not always headline news as it depends on the circumstances but it is being reported as headline news

so your post is bollocks op

This is typical but no. Politicians are going to have to ensure beheadings and eye gouging don’t happen on the street.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:18

NapoleonsNavy · Yesterday 12:17

Data is racist?

I think she means others will use this as an excuse.

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:20

'Every Catholic beaten bloody in their homes, every loyalist bomb and every loyalist shooting, men shot in front of their children, children burnt in their homes, pregnant women shot in the head, people shot just driving along by panicked young soldiers at checkpoints. You've no clue of the place you speak because you only get the British news coverage on it.'

It was all reported on. I've no idea why you're suggesting we didn't have it rammed down our necks for years. It was horrific the murders committed in the name of a 'cause'.

Minor crime in NI, your pub brawls in the Falls or wherever reported nationally no. Attempted beheading yes.

IPoopRainblows · Yesterday 12:21

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:08

We didn't have the bare minimum. Every atrocity the IRA committed we had headlined in every paper. Granted we maybe werent privy to all the minor gang warfare crimes and drug dealing but the bigger picture, yes.

Other routine crimes tend to be kept to local reporting, that is normal.

A Somalian trying to behead someone isn't a bit of burglary. It should be national news. It is now. It wasn't initially.

Only the atrocities of the IRA and not those committed by loyalist paramilitaries? Your own statement confirms not all atrocities, crimes, murders were reported, only those of the Irish.

MsJinks · Yesterday 12:22

NapoleonsNavy · Yesterday 12:17

Data is racist?

AI is designed to be an interactive supportive experience for the user. It will respond to what you specifically want - and it will know that by your phrasing and other searches.

It can also only mine info already on the net - just faster than you or I - I’m old enough to recall GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) as a computer term - it’s pretty accurate for AI too.

AllaFieraDellEst · Yesterday 12:24

aberamagold · Yesterday 10:03

The fact that horrible crimes are committed by white people isn't a good argument against importing lots more people with a disposition to committing horrible crimes.

We are allowing in hundreds of thousands of young men from cultures with primitive attitudes to women. We know nothing about their religious and political beliefs, which may be completely hostile to western civilisation. We don't know if they are already involved with Islamic terrorist organisations.

They may have experienced horrific violence. A history of trauma, combined with a move to a country with a culture completely alien to them, is a combination likely to cause mental health issues which may make them dangerous.

Exactly this.

I want to add that It's not just the fact that undocumented, unskilled, fighting-age, often religiously fervent men are coming unchecked into the country who see women as cattle. For example, the Egyptian murderer who raped and tortured that poor woman on Brighton beach, my hometown, and reportedly told police that rape was "just sex" to him.

As someone who is Judaism adjacent (I'm Christian, my husband is Jewish) this is also about the importation of violent antisemitism. These men are coming from cultures where talk of killing Jews is the norm.

So to all of the ideologically captured, woke, Green voting, do gooders on this thread who insist that unrestricted or poorly controlled immigration is harmless, I would ask: what happens when this policy has deadly consequences for the safety of Jewish communities? Dismissing those concerns out of hand means asking others to bear risks that you may never face yourself. You are playing Russian roulette with Jewish lives while expecting Jews to accept the consequences. You think you're all so virtuous, so compassionate, and empathetic, but you're not. It's not your partner's and children in the cross hairs of these religious extremists.

Velumental · Yesterday 12:24

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:20

'Every Catholic beaten bloody in their homes, every loyalist bomb and every loyalist shooting, men shot in front of their children, children burnt in their homes, pregnant women shot in the head, people shot just driving along by panicked young soldiers at checkpoints. You've no clue of the place you speak because you only get the British news coverage on it.'

It was all reported on. I've no idea why you're suggesting we didn't have it rammed down our necks for years. It was horrific the murders committed in the name of a 'cause'.

Minor crime in NI, your pub brawls in the Falls or wherever reported nationally no. Attempted beheading yes.

I've lived in Scotland for decades and the reporting here versus the reporting back home is entirely one sided.

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 12:26

Zippedydoobaah · Yesterday 12:10

I've no idea what he was saying, but I'm not going to assume it was a Quranic verse or any other religious text. I work in MH and during episodes people say all sorts of things. There has been nothing to suggest this is an act of terrorism, let alone religiously motivated.

Several years ago a middle man in Belfast bludgeoned his wife to death. He was white, middle class and had a history of MH issues. He's serving a life sentence. The comments at the time on social media were all "oh poor man, mental health services are horrendous here, we shouldn't comment out of respect for his family". We need to take a step back before we make assumptions purely based on the colour of the perpetrator. Just yesterday there was a programme on radio 4 about how BME patients are less likely to be sectioned, despite requiring more help.

Your straw man arguments aren’t going to cut it, and it’s fucking pathetic that you’d even resort to that.

Velumental · Yesterday 12:28

AllaFieraDellEst · Yesterday 12:24

Exactly this.

I want to add that It's not just the fact that undocumented, unskilled, fighting-age, often religiously fervent men are coming unchecked into the country who see women as cattle. For example, the Egyptian murderer who raped and tortured that poor woman on Brighton beach, my hometown, and reportedly told police that rape was "just sex" to him.

As someone who is Judaism adjacent (I'm Christian, my husband is Jewish) this is also about the importation of violent antisemitism. These men are coming from cultures where talk of killing Jews is the norm.

So to all of the ideologically captured, woke, Green voting, do gooders on this thread who insist that unrestricted or poorly controlled immigration is harmless, I would ask: what happens when this policy has deadly consequences for the safety of Jewish communities? Dismissing those concerns out of hand means asking others to bear risks that you may never face yourself. You are playing Russian roulette with Jewish lives while expecting Jews to accept the consequences. You think you're all so virtuous, so compassionate, and empathetic, but you're not. It's not your partner's and children in the cross hairs of these religious extremists.

What about the number of women raped and murdered by British men? Who see women as cattle. This idea that British men are somehow respectful and feminist minded when women are murdered in their own homes regularly is baffling.

Can we ship them out somewhere too? If you're keen to get rid of any man who shows violent tendencies or religious fervour I'm on board for that. We can get rid of the evangelical christians in northern Ireland wanting to take us back to the dark ages for a start.

We can get rid of the Catholic priests who were around during the pedophile scandals and the Magdalen laundries.

Religious fervour absolutely has a lot to answer for as do men.

Savvysix1984 · Yesterday 12:29

@Gloriia it could be assumed that you weren’t fully aware because you’ve consistently written ‘IRA’, with no mention of loyalist paramilitaries or the illegal and murderous actions of the British army/ state.

Velumental · Yesterday 12:29

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:20

'Every Catholic beaten bloody in their homes, every loyalist bomb and every loyalist shooting, men shot in front of their children, children burnt in their homes, pregnant women shot in the head, people shot just driving along by panicked young soldiers at checkpoints. You've no clue of the place you speak because you only get the British news coverage on it.'

It was all reported on. I've no idea why you're suggesting we didn't have it rammed down our necks for years. It was horrific the murders committed in the name of a 'cause'.

Minor crime in NI, your pub brawls in the Falls or wherever reported nationally no. Attempted beheading yes.

There was no UK reporting of the woman in ballymena murdered and dismembered in a bin by local men. Is that not horrific enough to make the UK news?

Walkyrie · Yesterday 12:29

Velumental · Yesterday 12:28

What about the number of women raped and murdered by British men? Who see women as cattle. This idea that British men are somehow respectful and feminist minded when women are murdered in their own homes regularly is baffling.

Can we ship them out somewhere too? If you're keen to get rid of any man who shows violent tendencies or religious fervour I'm on board for that. We can get rid of the evangelical christians in northern Ireland wanting to take us back to the dark ages for a start.

We can get rid of the Catholic priests who were around during the pedophile scandals and the Magdalen laundries.

Religious fervour absolutely has a lot to answer for as do men.

If you had to wake up alone in either of these two countries tomorrow; which would you pick? And why?

  1. England
  2. Afghanistan
Velumental · Yesterday 12:30

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 12:26

Your straw man arguments aren’t going to cut it, and it’s fucking pathetic that you’d even resort to that.

Resort to what? Pointing out that northern Ireland has a history of brutal murders not being reported?

Yet the racists are complaining it took 12 hours overnight for a murder to reported in the UK news?

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:30

Velumental · Yesterday 12:24

I've lived in Scotland for decades and the reporting here versus the reporting back home is entirely one sided.

Oh whatever, still reported on though yes?

You said earlier this level of horrific violence was due to coming from a war torn country. So as you grew up in the troubles does that make you likely to gouge eyes and attempt to behead or do you agree some people are indeed violent and bad?

Velumental · Yesterday 12:31

Walkyrie · Yesterday 12:29

If you had to wake up alone in either of these two countries tomorrow; which would you pick? And why?

  1. England
  2. Afghanistan
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If you happened to have been born in Afghanistan and were an average, ordinary woman... Would you want to stay there?

Walkyrie · Yesterday 12:31

Velumental · Yesterday 12:31

If you happened to have been born in Afghanistan and were an average, ordinary woman... Would you want to stay there?

Just answer.

NapoleonsNavy · Yesterday 12:32

Velumental · Yesterday 12:28

What about the number of women raped and murdered by British men? Who see women as cattle. This idea that British men are somehow respectful and feminist minded when women are murdered in their own homes regularly is baffling.

Can we ship them out somewhere too? If you're keen to get rid of any man who shows violent tendencies or religious fervour I'm on board for that. We can get rid of the evangelical christians in northern Ireland wanting to take us back to the dark ages for a start.

We can get rid of the Catholic priests who were around during the pedophile scandals and the Magdalen laundries.

Religious fervour absolutely has a lot to answer for as do men.

If we have enough of our own rapists and murderers, why import more?

Shakeoffyourchains · Yesterday 12:32

Speaking of media bias, The media, including the BBC and the times, recently report the case of a group of 7 British teenagers who were arrested following a prolonged period of racial abuse, racial assault and burglary in Warrington as "Boy, 13, among those arrested".

And not too long ago, when 8, literal neo-nazis, were arrested for racial assault and disorder in Durham, which included chasing non-white families around a park with weapons and fireworks while shouting white power, it was reported as "Eight in court over alleged disorder".

So yanbu, there's definitely some sort of agenda in the media but it's probably not the way you think it is

TwoBagsOfCompost · Yesterday 12:33

Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

What open borders narrative? Are the UK Borders wide open, according to you?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:33

Walkyrie · Yesterday 12:31

Just answer.

I’m interested too @Velumental

TwoBagsOfCompost · Yesterday 12:35

Savvysix1984 · Yesterday 09:10

It wasn’t a stabbing. It was the gouging out of eyes and an attempted beheading. It was barbaric. And it won’t be reported by msm that the attacker was Somalian or what he was shouting.

It’s literally the first line on the BBC article that the perpetrator is Somali

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:35

Savvysix1984 · Yesterday 12:29

@Gloriia it could be assumed that you weren’t fully aware because you’ve consistently written ‘IRA’, with no mention of loyalist paramilitaries or the illegal and murderous actions of the British army/ state.

I was aware of loyalist terrorists as well as republican terrorists (please don't call them 'paramilitaries', they were ocgs at best). I just obviously had an opinion like most?

Anyway. Back to the thread!

Velumental · Yesterday 12:35

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:30

Oh whatever, still reported on though yes?

You said earlier this level of horrific violence was due to coming from a war torn country. So as you grew up in the troubles does that make you likely to gouge eyes and attempt to behead or do you agree some people are indeed violent and bad?

No I didn't say this level of horrific attack is due to growing up in a war torn country I pointed out that growing up in a war torn country could certainly account for mental health difficulties.

And as a matter of fact I have had counselling for things I witnessed and lived through in my childhood. Which will have been mild by comparison.

What I am actually trying to point out though is that the OPs premise is incorrect. She's surprised a serious and horrific assault wasn't reported sooner? Suggesting it's to cover up that an attack was carried out by a somalian.

I'm pointing out that many absolutely horrific violent crimes and murders have occurred recently in northern but because they are in northern Ireland they are not covered in the wider BBC news.

The real surprise is that this one HAS been covered which is deliberately TO stole racist undertones and anti immigration feelings.

Is this inherently worse than the northern Irish man who bet his pregnant girlfriend to death the covered it up? Or the northern Irish men who murdered a woman and dismantled her in a bin? Or the northern Irish group of thugs who set fire to a wheelie bin with a man they'd tortured naked inside it?

Velumental · Yesterday 12:35

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:35

I was aware of loyalist terrorists as well as republican terrorists (please don't call them 'paramilitaries', they were ocgs at best). I just obviously had an opinion like most?

Anyway. Back to the thread!

Weird that racism and sectarianism and anti Irish feelings exist together within you. Or not.

Iamstardust · Yesterday 12:37

Walkyrie · Yesterday 09:32

Because not all immigrants are wonderful qualified medical staff? And importing people from war zones and countries with very high violence might result in disturbed people doing things like this to British/Irish people?

I can't disagree with this.

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