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AIBU to question the media response to the Belfast attack?

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Squirrel001 · Yesterday 08:55

Why are the media being silent on the Belfast attack?

Is the open borders narrative that important to them that they feel the need to ignore one of the most horrific attacks ever seen on a UK street?

I despair for the future of the UK. It’s grim.

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Zippedydoobaah · Yesterday 11:55

Haven't RTFT but I'm local to the area. The area this occurred in is very deprived, there is a high rate of drug/substance abuse, the nearby hospital A&E is overrun with the above issues and crime has historically been high in recent years. There is a lot of temporary accommodation and housing for people with specific issues.
The "wake up" folk bleating on in social media don't bat an eyelid when a woman gets beaten up in the street by her partner. There are no protests or planned riots when a local man with MH issues/drug addict stabs another. They are delighted this has happened, it gives them something to froth at the mouth about.

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 11:55

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Gloriia · Yesterday 11:55

'Are you aware of injuries sustained in the serious bar brawls on the falls road at the weekend?'

Er funnily enough no Confused

The rest on your shopping list would of course be reported locally. Did you hear about the bloke near me burgled last week?. Or my neighbours cat has been missing 2 weeks? Nope.

This case is of course of national interest and to pretend it isn't is just disingenuous.

Yes we're hearing more comment and reporting now but as always it seems to have taken sm to raise the profile.

Velumental · Yesterday 11:56

Walkyrie · Yesterday 11:53

So they are reported? And Noah Donohue (RIP) has been discussed a lot on here, there is huge support for a proper enquiry into his death and the reasons behind it.

There was a lot of reporting re the Northern Irish ‘protests’ taking place last year, we all heard about that.

You’ve given a lot of examples there which are news but not specific to what is being discussed here.

There is currently an active enquiry ongoing into Noah donahoes case, it's reported with daily details on northern Irish social media yet you seem to think there's still 'support to start an enquiry' that's how little northern Irish events are reported in the wider British media

Zippedydoobaah · Yesterday 11:57

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Who said this has anything to do with Islam? Did you correlate paramilitary shootings with Christianity?

Walkyrie · Yesterday 11:57

IAmBeaIDrinkTea · Yesterday 11:52

I don't think they're saying that they're never reported at all (they clearly are in NI by the sounds of it) - just not in England.
Just saying why now are we hearing about this one but other horrors in the news we don't.

I just don’t understand this ‘England never reports on Irish events’ thing.

I remember being a child in the 90s and seeing a LOT of news coverage re the Troubles and GFA, as well as spontaneous Loyalist/IRA attacks. In fact these were reported on the ‘teatime news’ well into my teens (I stopped watching TV news then as online took over).

The riots last year were widely reported as prominent articles in the tabloid newspapers.

Noah Donohue has been fairly widely discussed here too, including on this website, and I remember reading about it in the Guardian.

More local or routine crimes won’t be reported here (we have enough of our own) but anything with an unusual or political angle is reported (the poor journalist who was shot also springs to mind - she was the subject of a Panorama documentary). This is unusual as it was an attempted beheading, not a ‘stabbing’ in the commonly understood way.

Walkyrie · Yesterday 11:59

Velumental · Yesterday 11:56

There is currently an active enquiry ongoing into Noah donahoes case, it's reported with daily details on northern Irish social media yet you seem to think there's still 'support to start an enquiry' that's how little northern Irish events are reported in the wider British media

I think that’s unfair. Are English crimes widely reported in Northern Ireland? Have you been following the Nottingham Inquiry?

Velumental · Yesterday 11:59

Gloriia · Yesterday 11:55

'Are you aware of injuries sustained in the serious bar brawls on the falls road at the weekend?'

Er funnily enough no Confused

The rest on your shopping list would of course be reported locally. Did you hear about the bloke near me burgled last week?. Or my neighbours cat has been missing 2 weeks? Nope.

This case is of course of national interest and to pretend it isn't is just disingenuous.

Yes we're hearing more comment and reporting now but as always it seems to have taken sm to raise the profile.

Had you heard about the other murders on British media?

My point is OF COURSE northern Irish media (and my family group chat) have been awash with news of the attack in Belfast overnight. As it was with news of those other murders.

This thread is complaining or insinuation it's taken a long time for the BBC to report on this attempted murder by a Somalia . Yet the bbctnews wll barely report on actual murders, horribly brutal ones, that take place in northern ireland.

As I say the surprise is THEY HAVE reported on this 1 within 24 hours. This idea that there's less coverage somehow because the man is Somalia? When infact there's actual bbc coverage, more than most brutally murdered northern Irish people get

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 11:59

Zippedydoobaah · Yesterday 11:57

Who said this has anything to do with Islam? Did you correlate paramilitary shootings with Christianity?

I’m going to hazard a guess that considering the perpetrator is being identified by the media as Somalian, that there’s a strong likely likelihood that he is Muslim.

A quick Google search will tell you over 99% of the Somalian population identify as Sunni Muslims.

You think he was chanting scriptures from the bible??

mumumental · Yesterday 12:00

Who can trust anyone who jumps to suggesting causes before we even have the full details?

Walkyrie · Yesterday 12:00

The perpetrator is straddling the victims chest, sawing back and forth with a knife trying to cut through his neck. He’s shouting something in a foreign language while the man is laid there bleeding from his eyes and throat.

Stuff of nightmares

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:00

Walkyrie · Yesterday 11:57

I just don’t understand this ‘England never reports on Irish events’ thing.

I remember being a child in the 90s and seeing a LOT of news coverage re the Troubles and GFA, as well as spontaneous Loyalist/IRA attacks. In fact these were reported on the ‘teatime news’ well into my teens (I stopped watching TV news then as online took over).

The riots last year were widely reported as prominent articles in the tabloid newspapers.

Noah Donohue has been fairly widely discussed here too, including on this website, and I remember reading about it in the Guardian.

More local or routine crimes won’t be reported here (we have enough of our own) but anything with an unusual or political angle is reported (the poor journalist who was shot also springs to mind - she was the subject of a Panorama documentary). This is unusual as it was an attempted beheading, not a ‘stabbing’ in the commonly understood way.

Exactly, we had reports on the troubles for years.

This attempted horrific murder is of course of national relevance.

justasking111 · Yesterday 12:01

I follow some Irish media so do read and hear about things that mainland UK have little interest in. They've enough of their own news to cover I suppose.

Velumental · Yesterday 12:02

Ballymoney: Woman charged with murder after man dies in house fire - BBC News https://share.google/OHREyPohvlH9Wx83X

This man was burnt in his home, died trying desperately to escape, burnt as people tried to get through windows. He has children and a grandchild. Had you heard of this in the BBC news? It was a horrific murder where a beloved man died in agony.

I bet you'd have heard in the BC news if the woman who burnt his house down had been somalian rather than irish

Zippedydoobaah · Yesterday 12:02

Velumental · Yesterday 11:59

Had you heard about the other murders on British media?

My point is OF COURSE northern Irish media (and my family group chat) have been awash with news of the attack in Belfast overnight. As it was with news of those other murders.

This thread is complaining or insinuation it's taken a long time for the BBC to report on this attempted murder by a Somalia . Yet the bbctnews wll barely report on actual murders, horribly brutal ones, that take place in northern ireland.

As I say the surprise is THEY HAVE reported on this 1 within 24 hours. This idea that there's less coverage somehow because the man is Somalia? When infact there's actual bbc coverage, more than most brutally murdered northern Irish people get

The bigots in the comments of every headline involving a foreign national always write "you'll not hear his nationality mentioned" despite the fact it is usually in the first line. Low IQ, low literacy, highly bigoted and no job so lots of time to spend writing mistruths online.

Velumental · Yesterday 12:04

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:00

Exactly, we had reports on the troubles for years.

This attempted horrific murder is of course of national relevance.

You had reports on the troubles but the very very bare minimum and nothing reported in terms of crimes, murders and assaults away from that. I lived it on the side of living there and living away.

An assault, even a horrific one wouldn't be picked up by the UK BBC. The only reason this one HAS BEEN reported is because the man is somalian while the original poster seems to have wanted to infer that that's why it WASNT reported faster.

My point is plenty of horrific crimes have been committed over the past few years in northern Ireland by northern Irish men AND WOMEN. They don't make the wider BBC

NapoleonsNavy · Yesterday 12:05

Per capita, Somali-origin individuals in the UK (especially young males) have significantly elevated rates of imprisonment, arrests, and involvement in certain violent/street crimes. This is what AI blatantly tells me.

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:08

Velumental · Yesterday 12:04

You had reports on the troubles but the very very bare minimum and nothing reported in terms of crimes, murders and assaults away from that. I lived it on the side of living there and living away.

An assault, even a horrific one wouldn't be picked up by the UK BBC. The only reason this one HAS BEEN reported is because the man is somalian while the original poster seems to have wanted to infer that that's why it WASNT reported faster.

My point is plenty of horrific crimes have been committed over the past few years in northern Ireland by northern Irish men AND WOMEN. They don't make the wider BBC

We didn't have the bare minimum. Every atrocity the IRA committed we had headlined in every paper. Granted we maybe werent privy to all the minor gang warfare crimes and drug dealing but the bigger picture, yes.

Other routine crimes tend to be kept to local reporting, that is normal.

A Somalian trying to behead someone isn't a bit of burglary. It should be national news. It is now. It wasn't initially.

Velumental · Yesterday 12:08

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · Yesterday 11:55

@chirrupybird , it sounds like you’ve decided that this creature has severe mental health problems. That will make it so much easier to bear for the victim who is reported as being a teenager whose eyes were gouged out and whose head was attempted to be cut off.
By the way I’m getting on a bit now and this sort of sadistic attack is to my understanding a relatively recent phenomenon. To what do you attribute the rise in ‘mental health issues’ among a particular cohort of people?

Probably whatever happened to them in the ear torn country they fled.

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:09

NapoleonsNavy · Yesterday 12:05

Per capita, Somali-origin individuals in the UK (especially young males) have significantly elevated rates of imprisonment, arrests, and involvement in certain violent/street crimes. This is what AI blatantly tells me.

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Ai will be racist.

Zippedydoobaah · Yesterday 12:10

Cherry8809 · Yesterday 11:59

I’m going to hazard a guess that considering the perpetrator is being identified by the media as Somalian, that there’s a strong likely likelihood that he is Muslim.

A quick Google search will tell you over 99% of the Somalian population identify as Sunni Muslims.

You think he was chanting scriptures from the bible??

I've no idea what he was saying, but I'm not going to assume it was a Quranic verse or any other religious text. I work in MH and during episodes people say all sorts of things. There has been nothing to suggest this is an act of terrorism, let alone religiously motivated.

Several years ago a middle man in Belfast bludgeoned his wife to death. He was white, middle class and had a history of MH issues. He's serving a life sentence. The comments at the time on social media were all "oh poor man, mental health services are horrendous here, we shouldn't comment out of respect for his family". We need to take a step back before we make assumptions purely based on the colour of the perpetrator. Just yesterday there was a programme on radio 4 about how BME patients are less likely to be sectioned, despite requiring more help.

Squirrel001 · Yesterday 12:12

HRTQueen · Yesterday 11:52

only by stupid people like yourself op

It was on BBC news early this morning and its headline news still

Its an attempted murder this is not always headline news as it depends on the circumstances but it is being reported as headline news

so your post is bollocks op

You sound like you are part of the problem.

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Gloriia · Yesterday 12:12

Velumental · Yesterday 12:08

Probably whatever happened to them in the ear torn country they fled.

Confused

So, you say you grew up in the 'troubles' in NI. Lots of disruption, fear, atrocities by the IRA 'war torn' if you like. Did it make you pin people down, gouge their eyes and try to behead them or can we agree that those actions are those of an evil, violent person?

Velumental · Yesterday 12:15

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:08

We didn't have the bare minimum. Every atrocity the IRA committed we had headlined in every paper. Granted we maybe werent privy to all the minor gang warfare crimes and drug dealing but the bigger picture, yes.

Other routine crimes tend to be kept to local reporting, that is normal.

A Somalian trying to behead someone isn't a bit of burglary. It should be national news. It is now. It wasn't initially.

You know what you didn't have? Every Catholic beaten bloody in their homes, every loyalist bomb and every loyalist shooting, men shot in front of their children, children burnt in their homes, pregnant women shot in the head, people shot just driving along by panicked young soldiers at checkpoints. You've no clue of the place you speak because you only get the British news coverage on it.

So this attack looks like an anomalous violent crime when northern Irish men have been bludgeoning each other to death for decades and centuries.

Local reporting suggests the victim was a man in his 30s, not a teen by the way.

If I lived in Northern Ireland and I wasn't clearly white today I'd be looking for somewhere to go because God knows what will happen to polish, asian, black, anything but indigenous white northern Irish people over the next days and weeks as a result of the type of racism thao post is stoking.

Take this hatred and effort off. Northern Ireland has enough bigotry already

NapoleonsNavy · Yesterday 12:17

Gloriia · Yesterday 12:09

Ai will be racist.

Data is racist?

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