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Does anybody else dislike Pride?

851 replies

coulditbeme2323 · 04/06/2026 13:12

Does anybody else dislike Pride?

We have one in our town for the second year running, and it's just really off.

Now before I get the "don't be homophobic comments" I am very much live and let live.

It's just that it can be very adult in the middle of the day.

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Feelinhothothott · 08/06/2026 21:24

I don't get why we still need it these days. Being gay is now accepted & no big deal.
We don't have a big parade celebrating heterosexuality, why do we still need one for being gay, lesbian?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/06/2026 21:31

Anyahyacinth · 08/06/2026 21:10

Where is the evidence that access to Pride is linked to access to the victims of these criminals crimes?

I'll wait...

You might have missed my question.

Do you think that Pride and its members and associates should be required to maintain the same safeguarding standards as any other organisation that involves children?

Skinnysaluki · 08/06/2026 22:00

Feelinhothothott · 08/06/2026 21:24

I don't get why we still need it these days. Being gay is now accepted & no big deal.
We don't have a big parade celebrating heterosexuality, why do we still need one for being gay, lesbian?

it would be nice to think that what you say is true but since 69% of mumsnetters voting on this post so far seem to think the OP was reasonable it would seem not.

As for posters on here wanging out the age old slurs about the gay community and young people it is just appalling that this repulsive prejudice keeps crawling around the place.

AlternateLook · 08/06/2026 22:20

Skinnysaluki · 08/06/2026 22:00

it would be nice to think that what you say is true but since 69% of mumsnetters voting on this post so far seem to think the OP was reasonable it would seem not.

As for posters on here wanging out the age old slurs about the gay community and young people it is just appalling that this repulsive prejudice keeps crawling around the place.

Earlier in the thread there was mention, and photographs, of eight men who were paedophiles, and involved with Pride. There is evidence tthat Pride's been infiltrated by some monsters.

GeneralPeter · 08/06/2026 22:29

Anyahyacinth · 08/06/2026 21:10

Where is the evidence that access to Pride is linked to access to the victims of these criminals crimes?

I'll wait...

Here, from court reporting:

Judge Lees said: "Stephen Ireland is a man who prided himself on being versed in and highly alive to the vulnerabilities of young people linked to the Surrey Pride organisation he was at the time pivotal to“.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kkrxdpndo

AlternateLook · 08/06/2026 22:32

GeneralPeter · 08/06/2026 22:29

Here, from court reporting:

Judge Lees said: "Stephen Ireland is a man who prided himself on being versed in and highly alive to the vulnerabilities of young people linked to the Surrey Pride organisation he was at the time pivotal to“.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kkrxdpndo

They weren't waiting long...😆🤣

SorryWeAreClosed · 08/06/2026 23:09

The vote was not about people's feelings about gay people.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 08/06/2026 23:12

Skinnysaluki · 08/06/2026 22:00

it would be nice to think that what you say is true but since 69% of mumsnetters voting on this post so far seem to think the OP was reasonable it would seem not.

As for posters on here wanging out the age old slurs about the gay community and young people it is just appalling that this repulsive prejudice keeps crawling around the place.

Try reading the thread and you’ll understand why the vote went that way. Unless you think it’s ok that Pride has some issues with clear safeguarding failures that have caused some bad people to be attracted to the organisation?

No one on this thread has been ‘anti gay’. Coincidentally the comment below popped up in an sm feed today. By influential minority group 5pillarsuk. That’s the anti gay sentiment you need to worry about.

Ladybird Books has published a Happy Pride image on Instagram featuring a Muslim woman in hijab.
Ladybird is one of the UK's biggest children's books publishers and its books are read by kids as young as two.
The image features a Muslim woman in hijab carrying a baby alongside another woman.
A caption reads: "Everyone should be free to be themselves, no matter who they are or who they love."
Homosexual acts are strictly forbidden in Islam.

1dayatatime · 08/06/2026 23:16

Feelinhothothott · 08/06/2026 21:24

I don't get why we still need it these days. Being gay is now accepted & no big deal.
We don't have a big parade celebrating heterosexuality, why do we still need one for being gay, lesbian?

Exactly- personally I think people being gay or straight is about as important as to whether someone prefers tea or coffee.

Unfortunately there are those in the LGBTQ community who wish to define themselves based purely on their sexual preferences and those in the straight community who wish to participate in Pride events just to virtue signal as publicly and loudly as possible - "hey look at me everybody I'm so accepting of gay and lesbians" - whereas the rest of us are like "it's really no big deal ".

SapphOhNo · 08/06/2026 23:39

1dayatatime · 08/06/2026 23:16

Exactly- personally I think people being gay or straight is about as important as to whether someone prefers tea or coffee.

Unfortunately there are those in the LGBTQ community who wish to define themselves based purely on their sexual preferences and those in the straight community who wish to participate in Pride events just to virtue signal as publicly and loudly as possible - "hey look at me everybody I'm so accepting of gay and lesbians" - whereas the rest of us are like "it's really no big deal ".

You can't really claim "no one cares" while gay people are still being verbally abused, assaulted, and targeted because of their sexuality. The fact that many people rightly see being gay as no big deal is progress, but that doesn't mean prejudice has disappeared. Pride exists because equality on paper and acceptance in everyday life aren't always the same thing.

SomeGarlic · 09/06/2026 01:45

SapphOhNo · 08/06/2026 23:39

You can't really claim "no one cares" while gay people are still being verbally abused, assaulted, and targeted because of their sexuality. The fact that many people rightly see being gay as no big deal is progress, but that doesn't mean prejudice has disappeared. Pride exists because equality on paper and acceptance in everyday life aren't always the same thing.

It's really not why Pride exists as it is now. Way back when it started, it was same-sex attracted men and women showing the world they're just people. They were campaigning for equal rights to things like employment protection and marriage. Because there was 'gay panic' about homosexual men preying on boys, they went very big on demonstrating no tolerance for child molesters (Peter Tatchell notwithstanding).

The young and starry-eyed among us should read up on PIE, the Paedophile Information Exchange. This movement gained incredible traction among public bodies, operating in plain sight with support from naïve politicians. It achieved rapid success by latching on to the gay rights movement just as Pride succeeded in winning public acceptance, PIE managed to hijack people's regret at thinking all gays were child molesters ... to traffic children under the gay rights flag, knowing it had become unacceptable to associate homosexuals with child abuse.

The parallels between PIE's strategy and the sleazy elements of TQIA++ are glaring.

Gay rights are secure. Same-sex marriage is legal, making the GRA redundant. Being 'trans' or any other alphabet pursuit is nothing to do with being LGB, nothing at all. They've piggy-backed on public goodwill towards gay people, just as PIE did. They're using it to push a circus of sexual fetish into the public sphere. And the paedophiles are in there, working the PIE playbook.

The reason many LGB people distance themselves from Pride and its antics is precisely because it's undermining the acceptance that was so hard-won 40 years ago. Being gay doesn't mean being a pervert, it doesn't mean public indecency, it doesn't mean recruiting children. But this is what Pride means now.

Some of you could do with learning a bit of history - not the rewritten genderist version - from the 1970s onwards. The mere fact that genderists rewrite history should tell you enough about the honesty and motives of this movement.

ArabellaScott · 09/06/2026 06:41

SapphOhNo · 08/06/2026 23:39

You can't really claim "no one cares" while gay people are still being verbally abused, assaulted, and targeted because of their sexuality. The fact that many people rightly see being gay as no big deal is progress, but that doesn't mean prejudice has disappeared. Pride exists because equality on paper and acceptance in everyday life aren't always the same thing.

I agree that homophobia exists and needs to be tackled. Do you think Pride is addressing that, in its current incarnation?

I'd suggest that there is a risk of it damaging the cause in some cases.

Which isn't to say it shouldn't happen, but clear messaging and separation of events that are and aren't family friendly should happen, and more should be done to be inclusive of people who are there for same-sex relationships, as well as those who are all about gender.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/06/2026 07:13

SapphOhNo · 08/06/2026 23:39

You can't really claim "no one cares" while gay people are still being verbally abused, assaulted, and targeted because of their sexuality. The fact that many people rightly see being gay as no big deal is progress, but that doesn't mean prejudice has disappeared. Pride exists because equality on paper and acceptance in everyday life aren't always the same thing.

Yet we have seen some really unpleasant examples of Pride organisers and participants actively discriminating against and actually being violent towards lesbians and gay men who say that they are exclusively same sex attracted. Lesbisn groups have been banned from Pride marches (often directly at the behest of men who say they are women - Munroe Bergdorf being one such culprit).

We’ve not seen any condemnation of this from other Pride organisers so a clear message has been sent (explicitly in writing by some) that Pride is no longer about supporting gay people and very much about the TQ+ (the Q+ being furries, fetishists etc)

If you are worried about people being verbally abused, assaulted, and targeted because of their sexuality, Pride is now supporting that, not fighting against it.

What is there to like about that?

1dayatatime · 09/06/2026 07:48

SomeGarlic · 09/06/2026 01:45

It's really not why Pride exists as it is now. Way back when it started, it was same-sex attracted men and women showing the world they're just people. They were campaigning for equal rights to things like employment protection and marriage. Because there was 'gay panic' about homosexual men preying on boys, they went very big on demonstrating no tolerance for child molesters (Peter Tatchell notwithstanding).

The young and starry-eyed among us should read up on PIE, the Paedophile Information Exchange. This movement gained incredible traction among public bodies, operating in plain sight with support from naïve politicians. It achieved rapid success by latching on to the gay rights movement just as Pride succeeded in winning public acceptance, PIE managed to hijack people's regret at thinking all gays were child molesters ... to traffic children under the gay rights flag, knowing it had become unacceptable to associate homosexuals with child abuse.

The parallels between PIE's strategy and the sleazy elements of TQIA++ are glaring.

Gay rights are secure. Same-sex marriage is legal, making the GRA redundant. Being 'trans' or any other alphabet pursuit is nothing to do with being LGB, nothing at all. They've piggy-backed on public goodwill towards gay people, just as PIE did. They're using it to push a circus of sexual fetish into the public sphere. And the paedophiles are in there, working the PIE playbook.

The reason many LGB people distance themselves from Pride and its antics is precisely because it's undermining the acceptance that was so hard-won 40 years ago. Being gay doesn't mean being a pervert, it doesn't mean public indecency, it doesn't mean recruiting children. But this is what Pride means now.

Some of you could do with learning a bit of history - not the rewritten genderist version - from the 1970s onwards. The mere fact that genderists rewrite history should tell you enough about the honesty and motives of this movement.

Excellent post - I was going to respond but your response was far more eloquent and better structured than I could ever have managed 😀

LuckyHazelFox · 09/06/2026 08:01

I don't dislike gay and lesbians, I respect their choices. They do nothing to harm me and Pride, in itself, can be fun. What I do dislike is homosexuality being hijacked by trans radicalists who don't want to be like homosexials and get on with their lives, but want to demand more entitlement. My gay associates have no time for the trans movement because being in their 60s and 70s, they've seen what real prejudice and discrimination looked like. They survived it and now feel there's an equilibrium, which is threatened of being undone.

Anyahyacinth · 09/06/2026 12:34

GeneralPeter · 08/06/2026 22:29

Here, from court reporting:

Judge Lees said: "Stephen Ireland is a man who prided himself on being versed in and highly alive to the vulnerabilities of young people linked to the Surrey Pride organisation he was at the time pivotal to“.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kkrxdpndo

The final part of the article says there was no evidence his offending was linked to Pride

Still waiting for your evidence?? Or should we disband all churches, schools, care homes, parliament because paedophiles are found there??

Still waiting ...for evidence not slurs

AlternateLook · 09/06/2026 12:39

Anyahyacinth · 09/06/2026 12:34

The final part of the article says there was no evidence his offending was linked to Pride

Still waiting for your evidence?? Or should we disband all churches, schools, care homes, parliament because paedophiles are found there??

Still waiting ...for evidence not slurs

You mean this?

'Ireland's defence lawyer Alex Kirkler told the court his client did not abuse his position within the Surrey Pride organisation to commit these offences'

He was a founder of Surrey Pride, involved in Pride, and these offences happened under the auspices of Surrey Pride. Not linked, though, no. Honest, Your Honour... To him, Pride Surrey was just a sweetie shop for paedophiles.

ArabellaScott · 09/06/2026 12:44

A court of law requires evidence to prove guilt. Innocence is assumed until proven otherwise. This is correct in that context.

Safeguarding procedures are entirely different.

spannasaurus · 09/06/2026 12:44

'Ireland's defence lawyer Alex Kirkler told the court his client did not abuse his position within the Surrey Pride organisation to commit these offences'

And we should believe Ireland when he says this should we?

moderate · 09/06/2026 12:48

AlternateLook · 09/06/2026 12:39

You mean this?

'Ireland's defence lawyer Alex Kirkler told the court his client did not abuse his position within the Surrey Pride organisation to commit these offences'

He was a founder of Surrey Pride, involved in Pride, and these offences happened under the auspices of Surrey Pride. Not linked, though, no. Honest, Your Honour... To him, Pride Surrey was just a sweetie shop for paedophiles.

Edited

I really think it might be time to check "Anya Hyacinth"'s hard drive...

PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 12:56

It doesn't matter if someone's offences are linked to a specific event. If they've been found guilty (or even accused and being investigated for) anything that's a safeguarding issue then they shouldn't be involved in events that include children/vulnerable adults.

I've got a relative who did quite a bit of youth work, scout leader, ran a youth club etc. He was accused of inappropriate behaviour with a teen at a completely different, private event, not linked to either of those. He was immediately removed from post in the other places. And rightly so.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 09/06/2026 13:10

Anyahyacinth · 09/06/2026 12:34

The final part of the article says there was no evidence his offending was linked to Pride

Still waiting for your evidence?? Or should we disband all churches, schools, care homes, parliament because paedophiles are found there??

Still waiting ...for evidence not slurs

Are you suggesting that it’s perfectly ok for schools (for example) to employ paedophiles as long as they promise not to sexually abuse any children in the classroom?

GeneralPeter · 09/06/2026 13:11

Anyahyacinth · 09/06/2026 12:34

The final part of the article says there was no evidence his offending was linked to Pride

Still waiting for your evidence?? Or should we disband all churches, schools, care homes, parliament because paedophiles are found there??

Still waiting ...for evidence not slurs

We really do just have to decide who is more credible on that point, Stephen Ireland the convicted child sex abuser, or the judge.

Who are you going with?

GeneralPeter · 09/06/2026 13:16

@Anyahyacinth

To help us debate more productively, may I check which your position is closest to:

a) it’s not true that a disproportionately large number of Pride officers have been arrested on child sex abuse charges, or
b) it is true, but that is not a problem (because it's a historical statistical anomaly),
c) it is true, but that is not a problem (because there is not a problem with having child sex abusers as Pride officers),
d) it is a problem, but should not be talked about (e.g. for fear of stoking prejudice)

AlternateLook · 09/06/2026 13:17

moderate · 09/06/2026 12:48

I really think it might be time to check "Anya Hyacinth"'s hard drive...

Start on their browser search history first, though...