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Am I the Asshole for being upset that my stepdaughter came on our anniversary camping trip and ended up ruining the weekend?

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Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 18:27

I want to start by saying that I’m a stepmum, and I’ve been in my stepdaughter’s life for nearly 11 years. She was three years old when I met her, and she’ll be turning 14 in November.

I have a very good relationship with her mum, and I do a lot for my stepdaughter. I take her to and from school twice a week, cook for her, do her washing, clean her bedroom, look after her when she’s ill, and generally do all the things a parent would do. I also have an 18-year-old son. My stepdaughter comes everywhere with us—shopping trips, the cinema, family days out. We rarely get weekends to ourselves because she’s usually with us, and I’ve never had a problem with that because I genuinely love her.

Every year, my husband and I celebrate our anniversary with a trip to the Lake District. This year was supposed to be no different. However, earlier this year we found out we were going to be made homeless, so we had to cancel both a planned family holiday. All of our money had to go towards moving costs, deposits, rent, and setting up a new home.

We still have a couples holiday booked for September to celebrate ten years together and two years of marriage, but our usual anniversary trip to the Lake District had to be cancelled. Instead, we decided on a simple two-night camping trip. The plan was for it to be just me and my husband.

As soon as my stepdaughter found out, she was furious. She felt it was unfair that we were going away when she hadn’t had a holiday herself and insisted she should come too. (Despite her already going away with her mom twice this year, and another break planned in August) Honestly, I didn’t want her to come….. and we didn’t invite my son.

There is one day out of the entire year that I feel should just be for me and my husband. However, my husband thought it wouldn’t be a big deal and said we should take her.

So we did.

That meant buying an extra airbed, packing more food, and accommodating her gluten-free diet. On the day we left, I gave her a backpack and asked her to pack a couple of days’ worth of clothes, plus essentials like deodorant, a toothbrush, and a hairbrush.

She came downstairs with three overstuffed bags full of clothes that had simply been thrown in. I ended up unpacking everything, folding it properly, and repacking it all into one bag myself…… with her being argumentative and rude as I didn’t it, trying to explain it would all fit. I also had to remind her multiple times to get her toiletries…. Which she didn’t do, so had to use all of mine….. (which meant her diving into bags that were not hers, moving and loosing things whilst we were there, and generally making a mess with the bags)

Fifteen minutes into the journey, she announced she was hungry….. this is despite her eating before we left and her having snacks for the journey……. She got rude and argumentative, until we said she had to wait an hour. We stopped at services for food and to walk the dog, where she decided she needed to empty the car to find the hairbrush she didn’t bring.

When we arrived at the campsite, she refused to help put up the tent or unload the car, and when she was wanted to do was explore…… all fine…..but there’s no need for the attitude. All she wanted to do was wander around with the dog. There were sheep in nearby fields, so I specifically told her not to take the dog up there and not to wander off.

For the first two days, the dog was perfect. He was off-lead the entire time, ignored the sheep completely, and stayed close to us. He is well trained and has specific commands, all of which he immediately responds to.

The first night, she complained about sleeping alone in the tent, despite us explaining before we left, and when we initially invited her; that she and the dog would be in the tent while my husband and I slept in the car.

She complained about the food (BBQ), the ants, the spiders, the sheep poo, the midges….. everything that I had warned her about BEFORE WE LEFT.

The next morning, instead of getting dressed and helping us get ready for the day, she disappeared to the lake with the dog because she wanted to go swimming….. she didn’t ask and for a few mins we didn’t know where she or the dog was! We were literally trying to detach the tent, get dressed and leave for the day, and she simply ignored what we’d asked her to do….. and when she came back it was “oh sorry, I didn’t know” (and I’m like YEA YOU DID!)

She was fine in the local town and beach because it’s what SHE wanted to do. Usually we would have just hiked with the dog all day, but she complained about us wanting to do that too, so we didn’t.

The second night cooler and was windy and rainy. She was perfectly safe in the tent but decided she no longer wanted to sleep there at about 3 am, screaming (instead of just knocking the rear window of the car) and waking up the whole campsite…..she wanted to sleep in the car with us instead. So all three of us ended up squeezed into a Volkswagen Passat on an airbed.

Nobody could move. It was hot and she spent the next hour complaining that she was too hot and didn’t have enough room, that she was uncomfortable…….Eventually I completely lost my patience, got up, and tried to leave to sleep in the tent with the dog instead. Only then did my husband offer to move.

By the final morning, everyone was exhausted. I was trying not to loose my temper, but everything I asked her to do was “why can’t you? or “I’m not doing that”….. when I specifically to help us pack up her things and put everything in one area ready to load into the car, she again complained she didn’t have room for everything in her one bag abs threw it on the floor saying “well you do it then”……..

Instead, she wandered off again with the dog, whilst we were distracted.

The dog followed her towards the area where the sheep were. This time, he decided to chase them. The moment I shouted for him, he stopped immediately and came running back to me and i immediately put him in the car.

My stepdaughter came back saying she didn’t understand why he’d done it and that she’d been telling him to stop but he wasn’t listening.

At that point, I completely lost my temper and I really, REALLY shouted at her. I told her that farmers are legally entitled to protect their livestock and that the dog could have been shot dead because she ignored my repeated instructions. I had specifically told her not to go up that part of the camp. She kept blaming the dog and saying it wasn’t her fault.

The dog had behaved perfectly for two days. He had not been on a lead the entire time and if I saw his focus drifting, he was recalled and refocused on his ball or food or something else It was only when she wandered off up near the sheep because SHE wanted to “catch” one, that there was a problem.

The entire drive home, I barely spoke. I was upset, frustrated, and honestly resentful. My husband has told me I’m being too harsh and that I need to let it go and she understands.

My husband DID tell her off each with each incident (so did I in my interactions with her), so we arnt letting her get away with it.

My view is that she shouldn’t have been on the trip in the first place, that the whole point was for my husband and me to spend some time together, and that her behaviour throughout the weekend made what was supposed to be our anniversary trip stressful and unenjoyable and the incident with the dog just was the icing on the cake. She’s nearly 14. Big enough to follow instructions.

Safe to say she won’t be coming with me again. I’d rather not go than take her again. My husband thinks I’m being silly.

OP posts:
Weedingtodo · Yesterday 21:12

AlternateLook · Yesterday 21:08

It was only a matter of time before the MegaMums on here descended on the poor OP to give her a good kicking. This place never changes....

She’s changing her story to make herself look better and DSD worse, that could be why 🤷‍♀️

LotsOfSmallThings · Yesterday 21:15

OP YANBU! It’s unfortunate that so many perfect mums that have never been irritated by their children have come on to this post at the exact same time, because in the real world you’re not being unreasonable at all. And don’t forget MN hates stepmums; if it was your own daughter it would have been “she’s a spoilt brat, make her live in the tent for the next ten years or she’ll never learn”.
She was being an absolute knob. Goes with the territory of 14yos, obviously, but that doesn’t mean you have to like it. You were completely right that you shouldn’t have brought her and that since you did end up bringing her, she should have been capable of not acting like a toddler. If I were you I’d be very pissed off with your DH and even more so if he couldn’t see the issue. I guess all you can do is try and put it behind you (easier said than done I know) and stand your ground that you’re never taking her camping again.

NewGirlInTown · Yesterday 21:16

She sounds like a fucking selfish nightmare.
i know you can’t go back in time, but no way would I have allowed her on the trip. She is old enough to realise not everything is for her.
I’m glad you shouted at her. She should be punished. Quite apart from everything else, she could have got your dog killed. Unforgivable.
I would be thinking very hard about if I wanted to remain in a family with her. How is your relationship with partner otherwise?
Little cow. She knew exactly what she was doing and was determined to ruin your trip.

takealettermsjones · Yesterday 21:19

LotsOfSmallThings · Yesterday 21:15

OP YANBU! It’s unfortunate that so many perfect mums that have never been irritated by their children have come on to this post at the exact same time, because in the real world you’re not being unreasonable at all. And don’t forget MN hates stepmums; if it was your own daughter it would have been “she’s a spoilt brat, make her live in the tent for the next ten years or she’ll never learn”.
She was being an absolute knob. Goes with the territory of 14yos, obviously, but that doesn’t mean you have to like it. You were completely right that you shouldn’t have brought her and that since you did end up bringing her, she should have been capable of not acting like a toddler. If I were you I’d be very pissed off with your DH and even more so if he couldn’t see the issue. I guess all you can do is try and put it behind you (easier said than done I know) and stand your ground that you’re never taking her camping again.

Would we be better people if we all rushed to call the girl a bitch and a cow and a knob, and all the other things she's been called on here?

Most people have said there was fault on both sides.

nam3c4ang3 · Yesterday 21:23

She sounds like a nightmare sorry - and your husband sounds useless. Tell him to parent his child ffs.

MyEasterBonnet · Yesterday 21:25

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 20:40

This makes no sense.

You think people shouldn’t be annoyed at you because nothing happened to the sheep, yet you’re annoyed at your stepdaughter as something could have happened to the dog. Nothing happened to the dog, so your point is moot.

worldshottestmom · Yesterday 21:25

FlockofSquirrels · Yesterday 21:11

I agree, but OP is in the boat with DH on that one. OP didn't want her there, expected having her there was going to be unpleasant for everyone, and said ok anyways. Neither one wanted to be the person to say "no, this is an anniversary trip for us to have alone time as a couple and that's not possible to do with a teenager there" and stand by their decision. Passivity doesn't absolve adults from responsibility.

That's very true, and I'm not discounting OPs responsibility in all of this. It just comes across from the OP that the person facing all the blame is a 13 year old, being a typical 13 year old. It was her husband who also agreed to her coming - but she of course has equal responsibility. I would of probably argued that if the DSD can come then my own 18 year old DS should be invited, too. If either wasn't happy about the other being there, then neither of them go.

It almost feels as if they chose the easy option of letting her be there, knowing that they could blame it going wrong on her being there. Just say no.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · Yesterday 21:26

The exhaustive and exhausting way you have written this suggests you wanted everyone to pile on your DSD, a child. On that basis, I feel sorry for her

  1. You have a DH Problem
  2. YOU are responsible for YOUR dog
  3. You clearly like to dramatise eg using the word homeless
  4. I wouldn’t want to be alone in the tent and I’m 44
nocoolnamesleft · Yesterday 21:31

You knew there were sheep in the same fucking field, however big, and you let your dog off the leash? That is so irresponsible.

Sartre · Yesterday 21:32

NewPinkJacket · Yesterday 18:31

That was a little long even with the AI help.

But what I've mostly taken from it is that your husband is one lazy fucker when it comes to parenting and doing things for his own child.

Stop being a doormat.

If AI helped it must have been GPT 3.5, there’s a few spelling errors!

Your DH sounds like a bit of a wet lettuce tbh. This was a trip away for the two of you, she can’t constantly tag along and that’s absolutely fine. Even in a “regular” household I.e not blended parents will go out or away without their children and that’s perfect normal, encouraged in fact. Of course you were right to be hacked off, as would most people. Tell your DH to find his spine.

Blades2 · Yesterday 21:33

Zoonosis · Yesterday 19:44

Do you really think all you need to do to stop teenagers being annoying is to just "not allow them"? Have you ever met a teenager?

I have two 😊 my younger one is a joy to take on trips 🤷‍♀️

localnotail · Yesterday 21:34

She is a teenager. Your husband is a lazy fuck.

Purpledaisybug · Yesterday 21:34

You need to have your dog on a lead around livestock. No matter how well trained you think it is. I’m a dog owner, I live near lots of sheep (I’m in bed now and can hear them bleating) but my dog is on a lead when he’s around them.

MyAutumnCrow · Yesterday 21:34

Isittimeformynapyet · Yesterday 20:38

Just give up on this thread OP, it's not worth it.

Look at the voting - it's well in your favour.

At this point you're just banging your head against a brick wall.

That probably because most people just read the thread title, not the AI essay (that missed out a heap of salient facts anyway).

Shodan · Yesterday 21:34

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 19:34

A 7 night holiday is different to a 2 night weekend away.
She had 2 holidays with us last year and the year before and the year before. We had no choice but to cancel the family one. We ended up moving the week we were meant to be away.

Yes it is. Very different. So you still get to go on a nice week's holiday with her Dad, and yet you begrudged her two measly nights in a tent, in the Lake District?

Not nice.

localnotail · Yesterday 21:35

Also agree that your dog should have not been near sheep even if it is "well trained". Sheep get upset just by being near dogs.

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · Yesterday 21:42

Lollylucyclark101 · Yesterday 19:22

We had to move house.

it was a car tent, so she wasn’t alone as the rear door was open. She’s also nearly 14 so not a toddler

I didn’t want her there for 2 nights out of 365

She's not nearly 14.

14 in November means she's barely just turned 13 and a half. 4 months til her birthday.

You rounded her age up to make her seem worse and as per usual on Mumsnet, half of your respondents didn't read your OP properly.

VickyEadie · Yesterday 21:47

MyAutumnCrow · Yesterday 18:52

You sound like the family from hell in the countryside. Put your dog on a lead around sheep. No ifs, no buts.

This. Dogs should never - no matter how lovely and biddable - be off-lead near sheep. That's entirely your fault.

Re the 14 year old - That's your DH's fault for not parenting properly.

Firefly100 · Yesterday 21:50

OP ignore those people determined to find some way, any way, you could be found to be at fault here. It’s tiresome. Your SD was a complete brat and I’m not surprised you are cross. There is a remaining issue that your DH does not see this. If I were you, I would take a big step back for a while. Let DH take her to school, do her washing, clean her room etc. I’d approach it with him that the two of you obviously have different ideas of parenting a teenager if he thinks you are being ‘silly’. So he really should take the lead, it is not your place to dictate how she is raised. Go out by yourself when she is here at the weekend too for a bit and leave them to it. Maybe spend some quality time with your son if he wants to. She’ll get the message that bratty behaviour has caused withdrawal of services and DH will learn that he who dictates the rules gets the grunt work.
Oh, and next time DH insists she comes to something you think is inappropriate cause he can’t say no, tell him to have a great time with her cause you are not going.

MyAutumnCrow · Yesterday 21:53

RudolphTheReindeer · Yesterday 20:52

Your first post literally says 'there were sheep in nearby fields'

I know, right. With the daughter knocking on the car to be let in and waking up the campsite.

Comedy gold.

Joliefolie · Yesterday 21:54

At 4 months off of being 14, in the good old days of the 1990s/2000s, yes she would be expected to be able to last an hour in the car with her snacks before eating, not to throw her bag on the floor and say 'you do it' to a parent, to actively prefer to sleep in the tent part of the car/tent set up whilst her parents slept in the car bit, and to be very temporarily responsible for the care of the dog and to get a bawling out for being irresponsible with the dog/sheep having been explicitly told not to go to that area. I abhor the fact that people on here have called this girl a bitch, a madam etc. Gross. It's good that we have moved on from the old days of thinking referring to girls like that is acceptable. BUT, some bits of the old school style (by which I mean 20-30 years ago) would probably serve some kids quite well these days.

Grumpyeeyore · Yesterday 21:57

I wouldn’t have taken teen dc camping unless they took a friend with them and could entertain themselves. It was probably never going to go well even if she was an experienced camper and you had wanted her to go. I don’t think many teenagers would want to camp with just their parents.

keepswimming38 · Yesterday 22:00

My brothers MIL’s dog was shot in the LD for worrying sheep.

Anyway, yes, teens are best avoided on camping trips tbh. Your DH sounds completely passive. You sound like you’re not used to teenage girls. They are basically egocentric and built to drive you to the limits of frustration. Shake it off and move on now.

MyAutumnCrow · Yesterday 22:02

nocoolnamesleft · Yesterday 21:31

You knew there were sheep in the same fucking field, however big, and you let your dog off the leash? That is so irresponsible.

But it was a huge field. It was the size of Canada. And it went to a different school, you wouldn’t know it.

PlaygroundAllDay43321 · Yesterday 22:02

Yes, you absolutely are the arsehole.

I mean, 13 year olds are tricky. But you didn't handle any of this very well.

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